Thank you Cheri, I was wondering about that, she may not have even applied for one, she as far as I know she never worked outside of the house.
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 2:04 PM Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: > Antoinette, > > I think that the only people that appear in the Social Security Death > Index are the ones who had the benefit paid out on them. If no benefit was > collected, then they don't appear. That's what I seem to remember. > > Cheri > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 2:02 PM Antoinette Lima <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Thank you Bill, >> >> yes I agree with you, I need to get a copy of Virginia's death >> certificate. I have never been able to find her in the Social Security >> death index, the date I had assumed was her birth date was 1901 from her >> gravestone, but according to Joao's naturalization records (thank you Joe >> M.), all of her immigration records and my father's birth records shows >> that she was born in 1893..and stayed that way on the census records till >> 1940 when she had gotten a few years "younger", the grave also shows >> 9/6/1951 as her death date, but when I contacted the cemetery they said >> their records shows it as 1952. >> >> I'm thinking the children did this from memory which sometimes is not a >> good thing, unfortunately I have no one left to contact with first hand >> information. >> >> >> Again thank for all your help >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 10:39 PM Bill Seidler <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Just to correct my post. It is the Social Security Application and >>> Claims Index that has two entries for her as described in my post. She is >>> not listed in the Social Security Death Index that I can find. This seems >>> very odd to me. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 10:23:49 PM UTC-8, Bill Seidler wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Toni, glad I could help. >>>> >>>> Dates of birth recorded in US records often differ from home country >>>> records because they are often given by people who don't know the actual >>>> birth date. If you search this group's archive you might find some very >>>> good posts from Cheri Mello about reliability of primary source records >>>> (such as a birth date at the time birth) compared to secondary source >>>> records (such as a birth date at the time of death). >>>> >>>> Debbie's explanation of devotional names is very thorough. Confusing >>>> these names with a mother's surname in US records is not uncommon. It >>>> happened on my grandfather's death certificate (mother's maiden name listed >>>> as "de Jesus" or "Dejesus". In further research you may also find that >>>> women sometimes change their devotional names. I have an ancestor that was >>>> Rosa dos Anjos on her first marriage but Rosa da Conceição on her second >>>> marriage. >>>> >>>> The only death date I see for Virginia is from the California Death >>>> Index, 6 Sep 1951. She has two listing in the Social Security Death index; >>>> one with Machado spelled correctly and the other spelled Virginia >>>> MacHadeo Lima, with a different SSN. Both are missing the death date >>>> and both have the same birth date (16 Sep 1897) and both have the same >>>> parents' names. I would contact Santa Clara county to get her death >>>> certificate. It cost me $20 to get my grandfather's from Orange County. >>>> The death certificate, if like my grandfather's will give funeral home and >>>> burial information. The death certificate should give a certain date of >>>> death. Maybe there was a delay in her burial or her grave was relocated in >>>> 1952. >>>> >>>> I hope this is helpful. >>>> >>>> Bill Seidler >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 7:02:41 PM UTC-8, Jesse Mendonca >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> This naming of the women issue is why it is so helpful to have the >>>>> baptismal and marriage records. Women generally had their first name and >>>>> a religious name, but didn’t use their father’s surname. So Thera are >>>>> tons >>>>> of Anna de Jesus or Maria da Conceçao names out there. >>>>> >>>>> Here is a list from Wikipedia of names added to Maria: >>>>> >>>>> *Religious predicates* (often honouring one of the Virgin Mary's >>>>> denominations): >>>>> >>>>> - Catholic devotion festivities: Maria da Conceição (referring to >>>>> Our Lady of Conception), Maria das Dores (Our Lady of Sorrows), Maria >>>>> da Assunção (Assumption of Mary >>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assumption_of_Mary>), Maria da >>>>> Natividade (Nativity of Mary >>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nativity_of_Mary>). >>>>> - A place of a Marian apparition >>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_apparitions>: Maria de >>>>> Fátima(Fátima >>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_F%C3%A1tima>), Maria >>>>> de Lurdes (Lourdes >>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Lourdes>), Maria de >>>>> la Salete (La Salette >>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_La_Salette>), Maria >>>>> Aparecida (common in Brazil, after Aparecida >>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Aparecida>), Maria >>>>> Nazaré(Nazareth <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazareth>). >>>>> - A virtue or a nature element (many of which have lost religious >>>>> associations nowadays): Maria do Céu (Heaven >>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven> or Sky >>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky>), Maria da Luz(Light >>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light>), Maria do Mar (Sea >>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea>), Maria da Graça(Grace >>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_grace>). >>>>> - The name of a saint: Maria de São José (after Saint Joseph >>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Joseph>). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I found my Anna de Jesus on her marriage record listing her fathers >>>>> surname, Aguiar. >>>>> >>>>> Debbie >>>>> >>>>> Researching: >>>>> >>>>> 1. LUIZ surname— including Luiz de SOUZA, PIMENTEL, Antonio CABRAL, >>>>> and PEREIRA—on Sao Miguel (Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada) and North Kohala, >>>>> Hawaii, Hawaii >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2. MENDONCA and AGUIAR on Madeira (Santana, but perhaps other places); >>>>> Sao Paulo, Brazil; Hawi. Hawaii, Hawaii; Oakland and San Leandro, >>>>> California >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 6:22 PM Antoinette Lima <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thank you again Bill, Yes the birth and death dates are very wrong >>>>>> but according to the Cemetery where she is buried the says date should >>>>>> have >>>>>> been 1952, so they also have noted that difference too. >>>>>> >>>>>> I do have a question that perhaps you have the answer to. Virginia, >>>>>> on her immigration papers and my father's birth certificate she lists her >>>>>> last name as Conceicao and according to other documents including her >>>>>> birth >>>>>> certificate it is Machado..is there a reason for that? >>>>>> >>>>>> Very confusing. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 4:57 PM Bill Seidler <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you Joe, I guess I didn't go back far enough. Parents names >>>>>>> on this baptism match the parents name on her 1951 California Death >>>>>>> Index >>>>>>> listing (though he date of birth on the death index is way off, as often >>>>>>> seems to be the case) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here is link to the record Joe provided: >>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899_item1/P151.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bill Seidler >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, November 2, 2019 at 9:30:39 AM UTC-7, joe m wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here is Virgina's birth in Ribeirinha >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 6:36 AM Bill Seidler <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello Toni and welcome to the group. I took a quick look and found >>>>>>>>> some things that might help get you started. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I believe this is your grand parents passport log entries when >>>>>>>>> they left Terceira >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-TER-1916-1920_item1/P127.html >>>>>>>>> (#589 and #590 on right side) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> #589 confirms that this João Barcelos Lima is from São Mateus and >>>>>>>>> I was able to find his baptism: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-B-1890-1899_item1/P122.html >>>>>>>>> (#36 bottom right continuing on next page) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Passport #590 says his wife Virginia Conceição de Lima is from >>>>>>>>> Ribeirinha. Unfortunately after a quick scan I did not find a >>>>>>>>> Virginia >>>>>>>>> baptized in Ribeirinha around that time frame (that doesn't mean it >>>>>>>>> is not >>>>>>>>> there; I could have missed it) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This couple, along with their first child Maria, arrived in >>>>>>>>> Providence aboard the SS Roma on 1 Feb 1920 to join his father Joao >>>>>>>>> Lima at 77 >>>>>>>>> Davis Street >>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/77+Davis+Street?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>>>>>> in New Bedford and last lived in São Mateus where their contact was >>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>> mother Maria do Amparo. They had a few more kids in New Bedford and >>>>>>>>> by the >>>>>>>>> 1940 census were living in Santa Clara, California. If you have >>>>>>>>> Ancestry.com or can visit a library to access it there is much more >>>>>>>>> information on this couple. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bill Seidler >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 1, 2019 at 8:08:41 PM UTC-7, Toni Lima wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am researching my Grand parents Joao (John) Barcelos Lima and >>>>>>>>>> his wife Virginia Conceicao. They immigrated from the island of >>>>>>>>>> Terceira to >>>>>>>>>> the United States in 1920 settled in New Bedford and moved to Santa >>>>>>>>>> Clara, >>>>>>>>>> California some time in the 1930s. I believe they were from Sao >>>>>>>>>> Mateus but >>>>>>>>>> i am so new to this I am not sure how to proceed. 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