She didn't have to work. If she applied for her husband's she may have a SSA-9638. Scroll down to section 3 here: http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/finding-your-portuguese-6.html#previous-photo
It's almost a $30 gamble though. But if it has that one piece of information you are after, it is worth it. You can also try the Social Security Application and Claims Index. That's a newer database (been out about a couple of years) and it comes closer in time than the SSDI. It's on Ancestry. If you don't have a subscription, your local library probably has it. Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 2:14 PM Antoinette Lima <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you Cheri, > > I was wondering about that, she may not have even applied for one, she as > far as I know she never worked outside of the house. > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 2:04 PM Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Antoinette, >> >> I think that the only people that appear in the Social Security Death >> Index are the ones who had the benefit paid out on them. If no benefit was >> collected, then they don't appear. That's what I seem to remember. >> >> Cheri >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 2:02 PM Antoinette Lima <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Thank you Bill, >>> >>> yes I agree with you, I need to get a copy of Virginia's death >>> certificate. I have never been able to find her in the Social Security >>> death index, the date I had assumed was her birth date was 1901 from her >>> gravestone, but according to Joao's naturalization records (thank you Joe >>> M.), all of her immigration records and my father's birth records shows >>> that she was born in 1893..and stayed that way on the census records till >>> 1940 when she had gotten a few years "younger", the grave also shows >>> 9/6/1951 as her death date, but when I contacted the cemetery they said >>> their records shows it as 1952. >>> >>> I'm thinking the children did this from memory which sometimes is not a >>> good thing, unfortunately I have no one left to contact with first hand >>> information. >>> >>> >>> Again thank for all your help >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 10:39 PM Bill Seidler <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Just to correct my post. It is the Social Security Application and >>>> Claims Index that has two entries for her as described in my post. She is >>>> not listed in the Social Security Death Index that I can find. This seems >>>> very odd to me. >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 10:23:49 PM UTC-8, Bill Seidler wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Toni, glad I could help. >>>>> >>>>> Dates of birth recorded in US records often differ from home country >>>>> records because they are often given by people who don't know the actual >>>>> birth date. If you search this group's archive you might find some very >>>>> good posts from Cheri Mello about reliability of primary source records >>>>> (such as a birth date at the time birth) compared to secondary source >>>>> records (such as a birth date at the time of death). >>>>> >>>>> Debbie's explanation of devotional names is very thorough. Confusing >>>>> these names with a mother's surname in US records is not uncommon. It >>>>> happened on my grandfather's death certificate (mother's maiden name >>>>> listed >>>>> as "de Jesus" or "Dejesus". In further research you may also find that >>>>> women sometimes change their devotional names. I have an ancestor that >>>>> was >>>>> Rosa dos Anjos on her first marriage but Rosa da Conceição on her second >>>>> marriage. >>>>> >>>>> The only death date I see for Virginia is from the California Death >>>>> Index, 6 Sep 1951. She has two listing in the Social Security Death >>>>> index; >>>>> one with Machado spelled correctly and the other spelled Virginia >>>>> MacHadeo Lima, with a different SSN. Both are missing the death date >>>>> and both have the same birth date (16 Sep 1897) and both have the same >>>>> parents' names. I would contact Santa Clara county to get her death >>>>> certificate. It cost me $20 to get my grandfather's from Orange County. >>>>> The death certificate, if like my grandfather's will give funeral home and >>>>> burial information. The death certificate should give a certain date of >>>>> death. Maybe there was a delay in her burial or her grave was relocated >>>>> in >>>>> 1952. >>>>> >>>>> I hope this is helpful. >>>>> >>>>> Bill Seidler >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 7:02:41 PM UTC-8, Jesse Mendonca >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> This naming of the women issue is why it is so helpful to have the >>>>>> baptismal and marriage records. Women generally had their first name >>>>>> and >>>>>> a religious name, but didn’t use their father’s surname. So Thera are >>>>>> tons >>>>>> of Anna de Jesus or Maria da Conceçao names out there. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here is a list from Wikipedia of names added to Maria: >>>>>> >>>>>> *Religious predicates* (often honouring one of the Virgin Mary's >>>>>> denominations): >>>>>> >>>>>> - Catholic devotion festivities: Maria da Conceição (referring to >>>>>> Our Lady of Conception), Maria das Dores (Our Lady of Sorrows), Maria >>>>>> da Assunção (Assumption of Mary >>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assumption_of_Mary>), Maria da >>>>>> Natividade (Nativity of Mary >>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nativity_of_Mary>). >>>>>> - A place of a Marian apparition >>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_apparitions>: Maria de >>>>>> Fátima(Fátima >>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_F%C3%A1tima>), Maria >>>>>> de Lurdes (Lourdes >>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Lourdes>), Maria de >>>>>> la Salete (La Salette >>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_La_Salette>), Maria >>>>>> Aparecida (common in Brazil, after Aparecida >>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Aparecida>), Maria >>>>>> Nazaré(Nazareth <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazareth>). >>>>>> - A virtue or a nature element (many of which have lost religious >>>>>> associations nowadays): Maria do Céu (Heaven >>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven> or Sky >>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky>), Maria da Luz(Light >>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light>), Maria do Mar (Sea >>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea>), Maria da Graça(Grace >>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_grace>). >>>>>> - The name of a saint: Maria de São José (after Saint Joseph >>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Joseph>). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I found my Anna de Jesus on her marriage record listing her fathers >>>>>> surname, Aguiar. >>>>>> >>>>>> Debbie >>>>>> >>>>>> Researching: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. LUIZ surname— including Luiz de SOUZA, PIMENTEL, Antonio CABRAL, >>>>>> and PEREIRA—on Sao Miguel (Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada) and North Kohala, >>>>>> Hawaii, Hawaii >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. MENDONCA and AGUIAR on Madeira (Santana, but perhaps other >>>>>> places); Sao Paulo, Brazil; Hawi. Hawaii, Hawaii; Oakland and San >>>>>> Leandro, >>>>>> California >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 6:22 PM Antoinette Lima <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you again Bill, Yes the birth and death dates are very wrong >>>>>>> but according to the Cemetery where she is buried the says date should >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> been 1952, so they also have noted that difference too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do have a question that perhaps you have the answer to. Virginia, >>>>>>> on her immigration papers and my father's birth certificate she lists >>>>>>> her >>>>>>> last name as Conceicao and according to other documents including her >>>>>>> birth >>>>>>> certificate it is Machado..is there a reason for that? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Very confusing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 4:57 PM Bill Seidler <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you Joe, I guess I didn't go back far enough. Parents names >>>>>>>> on this baptism match the parents name on her 1951 California Death >>>>>>>> Index >>>>>>>> listing (though he date of birth on the death index is way off, as >>>>>>>> often >>>>>>>> seems to be the case) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here is link to the record Joe provided: >>>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899_item1/P151.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bill Seidler >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 2, 2019 at 9:30:39 AM UTC-7, joe m wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here is Virgina's birth in Ribeirinha >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 6:36 AM Bill Seidler <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello Toni and welcome to the group. I took a quick look and >>>>>>>>>> found some things that might help get you started. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I believe this is your grand parents passport log entries when >>>>>>>>>> they left Terceira >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-TER-1916-1920_item1/P127.html >>>>>>>>>> (#589 and #590 on right side) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> #589 confirms that this João Barcelos Lima is from São Mateus and >>>>>>>>>> I was able to find his baptism: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-B-1890-1899_item1/P122.html >>>>>>>>>> (#36 bottom right continuing on next page) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Passport #590 says his wife Virginia Conceição de Lima is from >>>>>>>>>> Ribeirinha. Unfortunately after a quick scan I did not find a >>>>>>>>>> Virginia >>>>>>>>>> baptized in Ribeirinha around that time frame (that doesn't mean it >>>>>>>>>> is not >>>>>>>>>> there; I could have missed it) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This couple, along with their first child Maria, arrived in >>>>>>>>>> Providence aboard the SS Roma on 1 Feb 1920 to join his father Joao >>>>>>>>>> Lima at 77 >>>>>>>>>> Davis Street >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/77+Davis+Street?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>>>>>>> in New Bedford and last lived in São Mateus where their contact was >>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>> mother Maria do Amparo. They had a few more kids in New Bedford and >>>>>>>>>> by the >>>>>>>>>> 1940 census were living in Santa Clara, California. If you have >>>>>>>>>> Ancestry.com or can visit a library to access it there is much more >>>>>>>>>> information on this couple. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bill Seidler >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 1, 2019 at 8:08:41 PM UTC-7, Toni Lima wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I am researching my Grand parents Joao (John) Barcelos Lima and >>>>>>>>>>> his wife Virginia Conceicao. They immigrated from the island of >>>>>>>>>>> Terceira to >>>>>>>>>>> the United States in 1920 settled in New Bedford and moved to Santa >>>>>>>>>>> Clara, >>>>>>>>>>> California some time in the 1930s. I believe they were from Sao >>>>>>>>>>> Mateus but >>>>>>>>>>> i am so new to this I am not sure how to proceed. 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