My aunt did not work but collected under her Husbands name. I found her by using his SS number.
Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 14, 2019, at 2:19 PM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: > > > She didn't have to work. If she applied for her husband's she may have a > SSA-9638. Scroll down to section 3 here: > http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/finding-your-portuguese-6.html#previous-photo > > It's almost a $30 gamble though. But if it has that one piece of information > you are after, it is worth it. > > You can also try the Social Security Application and Claims Index. That's a > newer database (been out about a couple of years) and it comes closer in time > than the SSDI. It's on Ancestry. If you don't have a subscription, your local > library probably has it. > > Cheri > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > >> On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 2:14 PM Antoinette Lima <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> Thank you Cheri, >> >> I was wondering about that, she may not have even applied for one, she as >> far as I know she never worked outside of the house. >> >>> On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 2:04 PM Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Antoinette, >>> >>> I think that the only people that appear in the Social Security Death Index >>> are the ones who had the benefit paid out on them. If no benefit was >>> collected, then they don't appear. That's what I seem to remember. >>> >>> Cheri >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 2:02 PM Antoinette Lima <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> Thank you Bill, >>>> >>>> yes I agree with you, I need to get a copy of Virginia's death >>>> certificate. I have never been able to find her in the Social Security >>>> death index, the date I had assumed was her birth date was 1901 from her >>>> gravestone, but according to Joao's naturalization records (thank you Joe >>>> M.), all of her immigration records and my father's birth records shows >>>> that she was born in 1893..and stayed that way on the census records till >>>> 1940 when she had gotten a few years "younger", the grave also shows >>>> 9/6/1951 as her death date, but when I contacted the cemetery they said >>>> their records shows it as 1952. >>>> >>>> I'm thinking the children did this from memory which sometimes is not a >>>> good thing, unfortunately I have no one left to contact with first hand >>>> information. >>>> >>>> >>>> Again thank for all your help >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 10:39 PM Bill Seidler <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Just to correct my post. It is the Social Security Application and >>>>> Claims Index that has two entries for her as described in my post. She >>>>> is not listed in the Social Security Death Index that I can find. This >>>>> seems very odd to me. >>>>> >>>>> Bill >>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 10:23:49 PM UTC-8, Bill Seidler wrote: >>>>>> Hi Toni, glad I could help. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dates of birth recorded in US records often differ from home country >>>>>> records because they are often given by people who don't know the actual >>>>>> birth date. If you search this group's archive you might find some very >>>>>> good posts from Cheri Mello about reliability of primary source records >>>>>> (such as a birth date at the time birth) compared to secondary source >>>>>> records (such as a birth date at the time of death). >>>>>> >>>>>> Debbie's explanation of devotional names is very thorough. Confusing >>>>>> these names with a mother's surname in US records is not uncommon. It >>>>>> happened on my grandfather's death certificate (mother's maiden name >>>>>> listed as "de Jesus" or "Dejesus". In further research you may also >>>>>> find that women sometimes change their devotional names. I have an >>>>>> ancestor that was Rosa dos Anjos on her first marriage but Rosa da >>>>>> Conceição on her second marriage. >>>>>> >>>>>> The only death date I see for Virginia is from the California Death >>>>>> Index, 6 Sep 1951. She has two listing in the Social Security Death >>>>>> index; one with Machado spelled correctly and the other spelled Virginia >>>>>> MacHadeo Lima, with a different SSN. Both are missing the death date >>>>>> and both have the same birth date (16 Sep 1897) and both have the same >>>>>> parents' names. I would contact Santa Clara county to get her death >>>>>> certificate. It cost me $20 to get my grandfather's from Orange County. >>>>>> The death certificate, if like my grandfather's will give funeral home >>>>>> and burial information. The death certificate should give a certain >>>>>> date of death. Maybe there was a delay in her burial or her grave was >>>>>> relocated in 1952. >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope this is helpful. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill Seidler >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 7:02:41 PM UTC-8, Jesse Mendonca >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> This naming of the women issue is why it is so helpful to have the >>>>>>> baptismal and marriage records. Women generally had their first name >>>>>>> and a religious name, but didn’t use their father’s surname. So Thera >>>>>>> are tons of Anna de Jesus or Maria da Conceçao names out there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here is a list from Wikipedia of names added to Maria: >>>>>>> Religious predicates (often honouring one of the Virgin Mary's >>>>>>> denominations): >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Catholic devotion festivities: Maria da Conceição (referring to Our >>>>>>> Lady of Conception), Maria das Dores (Our Lady of Sorrows), Maria da >>>>>>> Assunção (Assumption of Mary), Maria da Natividade (Nativity of Mary). >>>>>>> A place of a Marian apparition: Maria de Fátima(Fátima), Maria de >>>>>>> Lurdes (Lourdes), Maria de la Salete (La Salette), Maria Aparecida >>>>>>> (common in Brazil, after Aparecida), Maria Nazaré(Nazareth). >>>>>>> A virtue or a nature element (many of which have lost religious >>>>>>> associations nowadays): Maria do Céu (Heaven or Sky), Maria da >>>>>>> Luz(Light), Maria do Mar (Sea), Maria da Graça(Grace). >>>>>>> The name of a saint: Maria de São José (after Saint Joseph). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I found my Anna de Jesus on her marriage record listing her fathers >>>>>>> surname, Aguiar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Debbie >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Researching: >>>>>>> 1. LUIZ surname— including Luiz de SOUZA, PIMENTEL, Antonio CABRAL, and >>>>>>> PEREIRA—on Sao Miguel (Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada) and North Kohala, >>>>>>> Hawaii, Hawaii >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2. MENDONCA and AGUIAR on Madeira (Santana, but perhaps other places); >>>>>>> Sao Paulo, Brazil; Hawi. Hawaii, Hawaii; Oakland and San Leandro, >>>>>>> California >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 6:22 PM Antoinette Lima <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Thank you again Bill, Yes the birth and death dates are very wrong but >>>>>>>> according to the Cemetery where she is buried the says date should >>>>>>>> have been 1952, so they also have noted that difference too. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I do have a question that perhaps you have the answer to. Virginia, on >>>>>>>> her immigration papers and my father's birth certificate she lists her >>>>>>>> last name as Conceicao and according to other documents including her >>>>>>>> birth certificate it is Machado..is there a reason for that? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Very confusing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 4:57 PM Bill Seidler <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Thank you Joe, I guess I didn't go back far enough. Parents names >>>>>>>>>> on this baptism match the parents name on her 1951 California Death >>>>>>>>>> Index listing (though he date of birth on the death index is way >>>>>>>>>> off, as often seems to be the case) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Here is link to the record Joe provided: >>>>>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899_item1/P151.html >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bill Seidler >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 2, 2019 at 9:30:39 AM UTC-7, joe m wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Here is Virgina's birth in Ribeirinha >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 6:36 AM Bill Seidler <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Toni and welcome to the group. I took a quick look and found >>>>>>>>>>>> some things that might help get you started. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I believe this is your grand parents passport log entries when >>>>>>>>>>>> they left Terceira >>>>>>>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-TER-1916-1920_item1/P127.html >>>>>>>>>>>> (#589 and #590 on right side) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> #589 confirms that this João Barcelos Lima is from São Mateus and >>>>>>>>>>>> I was able to find his baptism: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-B-1890-1899_item1/P122.html >>>>>>>>>>>> (#36 bottom right continuing on next page) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Passport #590 says his wife Virginia Conceição de Lima is from >>>>>>>>>>>> Ribeirinha. Unfortunately after a quick scan I did not find a >>>>>>>>>>>> Virginia baptized in Ribeirinha around that time frame (that >>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't mean it is not there; I could have missed it) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This couple, along with their first child Maria, arrived in >>>>>>>>>>>> Providence aboard the SS Roma on 1 Feb 1920 to join his father >>>>>>>>>>>> Joao Lima at 77 Davis Street in New Bedford and last lived in São >>>>>>>>>>>> Mateus where their contact was his mother Maria do Amparo. They >>>>>>>>>>>> had a few more kids in New Bedford and by the 1940 census were >>>>>>>>>>>> living in Santa Clara, California. If you have Ancestry.com or >>>>>>>>>>>> can visit a library to access it there is much more information on >>>>>>>>>>>> this couple. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Seidler >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 1, 2019 at 8:08:41 PM UTC-7, Toni Lima wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am researching my Grand parents Joao (John) Barcelos Lima and >>>>>>>>>>>>> his wife Virginia Conceicao. They immigrated from the island of >>>>>>>>>>>>> Terceira to the United States in 1920 settled in New Bedford and >>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to Santa Clara, California some time in the 1930s. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> believe they were from Sao Mateus but i am so new to this I am >>>>>>>>>>>>> not sure how to proceed. 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