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Y-DNA does not transfer. FTDNA is the only company that now offers Y-DNA testing. If someone tested their Y at another company a long time ago, yes, there is a conversion cost and enough markers have to be purchase to bring it up to the current standard. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:36 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca < [email protected]> wrote: > Steve, > > Have you uploaded your DNA to FTDNA.com? It is free. I don’t know > whether it is free to get the y-dna results, also; but I would try it. > Your Haplogroup may be a big help. My husband’s haplogroup is apparently > the most common in the world, making it less productive with matches, I > believe. > > I am beginning to search Souza on Sao Miguel because I have discovered > that Luiz Souza’s son began using the surname LUIZ on his wedding records > [his father was deceased] in the mid 1800s. I will keep you in mind. > > I am interested in knowing if you are only checking those who immigrated > to the East Coast. I ask, because DNA matches have shown me that an uncle > most likely went to Trinidad, Barbados near the same time my husbands > grandfather brought his family to Hawaii in 1898. > > I hope you’re feeling better. > > Debbie Shepherd Mendonca > > (jessdebmendonca at gmail.com) > > Researching: > > 1. LUIZ surname— including Luiz de SOUZA, PIMENTEL, Antonio CABRAL, and > PEREIRA—on Sao Miguel (Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada) and North Kohala, Hawaii, > Hawaii > > > 2. MENDONCA and AGUIAR surnames on Madeira (Santana, but perhaps other > places); Sao Paulo, Brazil; Hawi, Hawaii, Hawaii; Oakland, San Leandro, and > San Jose in California > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 8:51 AM Steve Stevens <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I know I sound screwed up, blame it on the drugs (have bronchitis and >> taking cough syrup with codeine) but the information I have, even coming >> from relatives, is screwed up. First of all my name, my grand parents >> changed their name from Soza to Stevens 27 Feb 1924 believing that my great >> grand father was actually an Estevez vice Soza. I have no idea how they got >> there except a great uncle also mentioned it to a family member before he >> died. So I never had a chance to be "right." >> >> The DNA test was a y-46 DNA test at Ancestry.com. Dyslexia runs in the >> family. The test results which I have attached show Haplogroup R1b "The >> Artisans" they say. You may use the data if you wish I have no intention >> right now of paying for another subscription, just updated to Ancestry >> World and have found that to be a waste for me. >> >> Searching the Passport site you provided, I looked through 1884 and 1885 >> as this seems to be the most often recorded years for his immigration and >> found some that caught my eye, but need translation if you will: >> >> p.8 #55 >> p.20 #181, 182 >> p.52 #152 >> p.53 #158 >> p.59 #223 >> p.75 #14 >> p.101 #266 >> p.102 #273 >> p.104 #285 >> >> Working my way through the whole book. Too bad someone didn't index this. >> I would if I could read it better. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 4:18:05 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: >>> >>> Hi Steve, >>> >>> Sorry, I misread then. In the Portuguese based records, you are looking >>> for parents named João de Souza and Maria da Silva, but I doubt she's >>> listed that way. She'll be a Maria Religious Middle Name. >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 1:15 PM Steve Stevens <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Cheri, >>>> >>>> Thanks again. His parents were John Soza and Mary Silva. I will search >>>> the site you referenced, thanks. >>>> >>>> On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 2:19:06 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Steve, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the timeline. That helps a lot. These are all records >>>>> you've done from online searches? Not everything is online, especially the >>>>> naturalizations. Currently, it's around $65 to do a search (and no >>>>> guarantee they'll find the right Manuel). The fees are slated to go to a >>>>> few HUNDRED for just a search. $300 or so. >>>>> >>>>> Even though your Manuel did not personally provide the information for >>>>> the obituary, I'd use that. The person telling his life story probably got >>>>> the island right. But to search for Manuel de Souzas leaving Terceira >>>>> between 1885-1887 will turn up a lot. You said his parents were Joao Souza >>>>> and Maria Reis. It will be tedious, but you can go page by page, looking >>>>> for a Manuel de Souza born to a Joao de Souza and Maria Reis: >>>>> >>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1884-1890/PASSAPORTES-TER-1884-1890_item1/index.html >>>>> >>>>> However, for that time period, I don't think his mom will be listed as >>>>> Maria Reis. She'll be Maria Religious Name. She was probably a daughter of >>>>> a Reis and that information is not listed in the passaportes. >>>>> >>>>> Do you have Manuel's siblings' information? That might turn up clues. >>>>> Because he's a Manuel de Souza though, DNA is probably going to be your >>>>> best bet. >>>>> >>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 10:29 AM Steve Stevens <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yeah I'm sure A Manuel Sousa entered 2 Dec 1887 on Ship Bark Sarah >>>>>> 19/1 Male Laborer Fayal, Fall River Forward 2 bags, but not sure it is My >>>>>> Manual Sousa. >>>>>> >>>>>> Let me start from my beginning journey on researching him. >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. 1900 Census Massachusetts, Barnstable County, Town of Falmouth, >>>>>> Sht 34B, ED 9, shows my g-grandfather on line 51 as Souza, Manuel, b. Feb >>>>>> 1868, age 32, married 9 years, births of he, father and mother Western >>>>>> Islands, year of immigration given as 1890, been here 10 years and still >>>>>> Alien and a laborer. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. 1910 Census Massachusetts Barnstable County, Town of Falmouth, >>>>>> Sht 11B, ED 10, line 60, Soza, Manuel this time year of immigration is >>>>>> 1887 >>>>>> and he is still an alien. >>>>>> >>>>>> 3. 1920 Census Massachusetts Barnstable County, Town of Falmouth, >>>>>> Sht 16B, ED 12, line 76, Soza, Manuel back to 1885 and naturalized 1919 >>>>>> >>>>>> 4. Obituary reveals this information: Born 28 Jan 1868 (note >>>>>> conflict with 1900 Census of Feb 1868) in Terceira, Azores >>>>>> >>>>>> Now given a birth date of either 28 Jan or Feb 1868, immigration >>>>>> between 1885 and 1887 and naturalized in 1919, I turned to immigration >>>>>> and >>>>>> naturalization records: >>>>>> >>>>>> Index to Naturalization Records: >>>>>> Massachusetts State and Federal Naturalization Records, 1798-1950, >>>>>> >>>>>> closest match Manoel de Souza, country of birth or allegiance >>>>>> Portugal, birth 28 Feb 1868, date of naturalization 5 Nov 1897 (conflict >>>>>> with 1920 Census >>>>>> >>>>>> Name: Manoel De Souza >>>>>> Petition Age: 30 >>>>>> Record Type: Petition >>>>>> Birth Date: 28 Feb 1868 >>>>>> Birth Place: St Michael Azores >>>>>> Arrival Date: 16 Apr 1885 >>>>>> Arrival Place: Boston >>>>>> Petition Date: 9 Nov 1897 >>>>>> Petition Place: Boston, Massachusetts, USA >>>>>> Boston Passenger List 1820-1943- >>>>>> July 1884, Ship Acoriano, Manuel de Souza, 18, Male, Laborer, St >>>>>> Meguells, US, Steerage >>>>>> November 1885, Ship Benguella, Manuel S 18, M, Tourist, Portugal, >>>>>> Portugal, Cuba, 3, Cabin,,V >>>>>> April 1886, Ship Bark Sarah, Manuel B de Sousa, 18/3, Male Laborer, , >>>>>> Flores, , , Steerage Forward, >>>>>> 2 Dec 1887, Ship Bark Sarah, Manuel Sousa, 19/1, Male, Laborer, >>>>>> Fayal, Fall River, Forward, 2 bags >>>>>> April 1888, Ship Forest Fairy, Manuel da Souza, 18, Male, Laborer, >>>>>> Grasiosa, Grasiosa, USA, Steerage >>>>>> April 1889, Ship Forest Fairy, Manuel de Souza, 18, Male, Laborer, >>>>>> Portugal, Western Islands >>>>>> >>>>>> There is a Manoel de Souza vermintol who matches almost identically >>>>>> much, but don't undersrtand the "vermintol" on the British Basque Paladin >>>>>> and he is from Sao Miguel >>>>>> >>>>>> Name >>>>>> Manoel De souza vemintol >>>>>> Birth >>>>>> abt 1868 >>>>>> Departure >>>>>> Azores >>>>>> Arrival >>>>>> Boston, Massachusetts, USA 17 Apr 1885 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Going to cut it short here to hear what you have to say. Thanks a >>>>>> bunch for the help, I think it cleared things up in my own mind at least >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 6:22:11 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Steve S, >>>>>>> Are you sure about that? I can't find a Manuel Souza coming into >>>>>>> Boston on 2 Dec 1887 on the Sarah from Flores. But I found a Manuel >>>>>>> Souza >>>>>>> coming into Boston on 2 Dec 1887 on the Sarah from FAIAL. It's getting >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> be confusing. First you said it was Sao Miguel island, then Flores >>>>>>> island, >>>>>>> but I find Faial island. What documents do you have that say Sao Miguel? >>>>>>> What documents say Flores? Depending on your answers to those questions >>>>>>> will point to the right solution. Otherwise, it's a wild goose chase. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You did a Y-DNA test with which company? Family Tree DNA or >>>>>>> Ancestry? They are 2 different companies. Ancestry did Y-DNA testing >>>>>>> years >>>>>>> ago, but they didn't test 64 markers. FTDNA has a Y-DNA 67 test, if >>>>>>> that is >>>>>>> what you mean. If you did it with Ancestry, you can transfer their >>>>>>> Y-DNA 33 >>>>>>> or Y-DNA 46 over to FTDNA (if you downloaded the raw data file). You >>>>>>> won't >>>>>>> get 33 or 46 markers though, as they aren't all compatible. You can make >>>>>>> them compatible by providing a swab and paying a fee: >>>>>>> [image: image.png] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you did a Y-DNA test with FTDNA, you can join the Azores DNA >>>>>>> Project. You didn't directly say that your Stephens is a corruption of >>>>>>> Souza though. I'm guessing by your signature. And if you did test with >>>>>>> FTDNA, you need to add the Family Finder test. It's another tool to use. >>>>>>> Y-DNA testing is a direct line test - your father's father's father's >>>>>>> line >>>>>>> only. Family Finder (autosomal DNA testing) covers all your lines going >>>>>>> back about 200 years from your birth. You'd have to tease them apart. If >>>>>>> you did an Ancestry DNA test (like the ones you see on TV), you did an >>>>>>> autosomal DNA test and these transfer over to FTDNA. You get matches for >>>>>>> free. The tools and ethnicity estimates are $19. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Set me straight on your island and hopefully I can point you in the >>>>>>> right direction. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 3:00 PM Steve Stevens <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for the information you provided. I have some other >>>>>>>> information, but is does not match up to San Miguel. It saya Terceira. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I did the 64 Y-DNA test years ago and Ancestry chose not to use >>>>>>>> these with their new DNA test. I can provide the results if it would >>>>>>>> help, >>>>>>>> but it looks like I can not join the DNA group without a new test. I >>>>>>>> believe I have his entry into Boston, from Flores on the bark Sarah 2 >>>>>>>> dec >>>>>>>> 1887 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Steve Stevens >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 11:38:54 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Steve S, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sousa is the modern Portuguese spelling. Before 1911 you will see >>>>>>>>> Souza. At least in the Portuguese records. The set of records you'll >>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>> dealing with won't be the Civil Registers but the Church records. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, Souza/Sousa and Silva are 2 of the most common names. Records >>>>>>>>> over there are organized on the village level. You have to know the >>>>>>>>> village, especially when you are dealing with Sao Miguel island. That >>>>>>>>> island alone holds half the population of the Azores and has >>>>>>>>> approximately >>>>>>>>> 70 churches to look through. It's a needle in a haystack. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You have the immigration date. Unfortunately, the emigration >>>>>>>>> leaving the port of Ponta Delgada on the island of Sao Miguel has >>>>>>>>> some gaps >>>>>>>>> in the records. That 1885-1886 is one gap. The records are simply >>>>>>>>> missing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If none of your research has turned up a village (called a >>>>>>>>> freguesia) on your Manuel, you'll have to research his sisters and >>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>> their immigration and naturalizations. And you'll most likely have to >>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>> DNA. Your matches might point towards a particular region on Sao >>>>>>>>> Miguel. Or >>>>>>>>> maybe you'll find a cousin. If your parent(s) are alive test them >>>>>>>>> first. If >>>>>>>>> they are not alive, test their sibling(s). If they are not alive, >>>>>>>>> then you >>>>>>>>> are the best candidate for the DNA test. Order through the Azores DNA >>>>>>>>> Project on Family Tree DNA. Use this link: >>>>>>>>> https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=AzoresIslands >>>>>>>>> You want the Family Finder which is on sale for $49 (+$12.95 S&H - >>>>>>>>> includes return postage if you still reside in the U.S.). The sale >>>>>>>>> ends >>>>>>>>> tonight (Jan. 2) at 11:59 pm PST. >>>>>>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>>>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:23 AM Steve Stevens <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello all! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I just found this group while digging for Azores civil records or >>>>>>>>>> information. My great-grandfather Manuel/Manoel de Sousa/Souza was >>>>>>>>>> born >>>>>>>>>> about 28 February 1868 in ST. Michael/Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> immigrated to the US about 16 April 1885/86 at Boston, MA. He was >>>>>>>>>> naturalized 5 Nov 1897. According to marriage records, his parents >>>>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>>> John Soza and Mary Silva. Knowing that these names are like Smith >>>>>>>>>> and Jones >>>>>>>>>> in the US, I was hoping for some help locating Portuguese records >>>>>>>>>> for the >>>>>>>>>> family. He had three sisters, Mary (abt1871-1933), Marion Augusta >>>>>>>>>> (abt >>>>>>>>>> 1875-1943) and Gertrude Alice (???-aft 1943). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Any help would be most appreciated. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Steve Stevens (Souza) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/01aba5af-ace1-446e-b253-ccf5c66bc1ee%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/01aba5af-ace1-446e-b253-ccf5c66bc1ee%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5ea0d2cf-f18f-4b04-8e34-2149ebc4e6b1%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5ea0d2cf-f18f-4b04-8e34-2149ebc4e6b1%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/0195b844-67b1-4814-9fa4-b697dca243ec%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/0195b844-67b1-4814-9fa4-b697dca243ec%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/fa2a3371-ca85-47ed-9ef4-de1db5434bc3%40googlegroups.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/fa2a3371-ca85-47ed-9ef4-de1db5434bc3%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/ebdfa7fb-2f0a-4b15-853e-6ec786bc2f02%40googlegroups.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/ebdfa7fb-2f0a-4b15-853e-6ec786bc2f02%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAJ7050tLUpZvxc8e65VO3MkgV8VRX%2BTPg44BsVOine7PLE7iag%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAJ7050tLUpZvxc8e65VO3MkgV8VRX%2BTPg44BsVOine7PLE7iag%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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