To summarise:

Linux is truly "intelligent design" but no-one uses it as a desktop OS, or
if they do they are too ashamed to connect to the internet and if they do
they fake it as a Windows machine?

Brian Butterworth


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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Lockwood
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> To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [backstage] Browser Stats
> 
> > Richard Lockwood said:
> > > Andy - ordinary people do not generally use Linux as a desktop OS.
> >
> > Is there such a thing as an ordinary person?
> > Any way my point was that the true figure may not be quite 
> as low as stated.
> > I did not say it would be greatly higher, certainly not higher than 
> > WindowsXP (by a long way).
> >
> > I would be quite surprised if it was more than 10%.
> 
> Even 10% is significantly higher than 0.4%
> 
> >
> > Richard also said:
> 
> > > Here, for example, you find a figure you wish was a lot 
> higher, and 
> > > then come up with a load of reasons why it might be inaccurate, 
> > > without providing any evidence for a single one of them.
> >
> > I would have thought they where all self explanatory, evidently not.
> >
> > Many studies have shown that Junk email makes up 90% of all email.
> > Why are you assuming that the same people are not using websites to 
> > launch attacks?
> > Have you never heard the phrase "comment spam", have you 
> never seen a 
> > "captcha", they're not there to look good.
> > Stick your email address on a public website, wait a bit and see if 
> > you get spam. How do you think they knew that was your 
> email address?
> > Because robots do trawl the Internet looking for email 
> addresses. The 
> > BBC site is more likely to be hit by these as lots of places link 
> > there so it's easy to find.
> 
> No - this is not evidence.  You're coming up with a series of 
> hypotheses to fit your scenario - that a significant 
> proportion of people use Linux as a desktop OS.  This is the 
> same arguing technique that proponants of Intelligent Design 
> use.  "You can't prove otherwise, so it must be true."
> 
> >
> > Jason Cartwright wrote:
> > > but add that these numbers are
> > > probably generated by some pretty sophisticated 3rd part software 
> > > that the BBC employs.
> >
> > But we don't know that do we?
> > Have you ever seem how bad user agent sniffing is?
> >
> > I was using a PC running FireFox on Linux that transmitted the word 
> > "Linux" in its user agent. I was told by a major website that I was 
> > running "Netscape" on "Mac OS".
> 
> Again - just because the BBC's technique *might* be 
> inaccurate doesn't mean it *is* inaccurate.  Likewise, 
> because you want to believe that Linux is massively popular 
> doesn't mean it is.
> 
> There was a very interesting (and to my mind, fairly written) 
> article in The Register yesterday about installing Linux:
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/28/desktop_linux/  (cue 
> Linux-heads bleating about how he should've used a different 
> distro, or how the author must be brain dead not to be able 
> to get it right first time...)  I care not one way or the 
> other, but it goes to show why Linux still isn't ready for 
> everyman to go installing it on his expensive PC when it came 
> with a 
> perfectly-good-operating-system-why-would-I-want-to-change-it-anyway.
> 
> Rich.
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