The Baha'i Studies Listserv I am just stating the facts. You draw your own conclusions. So, the raids were ordered by Muhammad himself. Right? The Baha'i concept of Manifestation of God is irrelevant here. Or, maybe I am a Baha'i that is quite selective in his beliefs just like you who are so conveniently selective in your beliefs and sources, etc. None of your business.
Did Muhammad order a series of raids or not? That's the question. Yes, he did. And his religion can't be the last religion. You are silent regarding actions of your venerable sahabah `Umar, or `Uthman and their conquests. `Abdu'l-Baha's comments in SAQ are for apologetic purposes, Susan. For a Christian audience. And since when is `Abdu'l-Baha an infallible source in matters of history, especially ancient history? Or, are you saying that the best defense is a good offense, Susan? Are you guys so blind to the existence of violence and bloodshed in Islam? Why on earth was Baha'u'llah so perturbed as a child about such violence? Why did He abolish it if there never ever was any bloodshed and violence in Islam? What's wrong with you folks? Go ahead and defend Islam but don't ignore the facts. Iskandar On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Gilberto Simpson < [email protected]> wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > I'm asking because I honestly don't know what you believe. If you are > refering to one or two years after the hijrah then the Prophet > Muhammad would have still been alive and in charge, not Umar(ra) and > it gives the impression that you as a Bahai are criticizing someone > who is an infallible Manifestation according to the Bahai faith. So > its like you hate Islam/Muslims so much that you don't even care about > the positive things that the Bahai Faith actually has to say about > Islam, you just have your own agenda. > > On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Iskandar Hai, M.D. > <[email protected]> wrote: > > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > > > > Was somebody else approving the raids? > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Gilberto Simpson > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> The Baha'i Studies Listserv > >> On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Iskandar Hai, M.D. > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > >> > > >> > Actually, there were a series of raids on Meccan caravans in the first > >> > 1-2 > >> > years of hijrah; and one of them occurred during the forbidden month > of > >> > Rajab (I think it was the Nakhlah raid), one of them precipitated > Badr. > >> > It's > >> > all in ibn-e ishaq and Tabari, and Bukhari, etc. > >> > >> So that we are clear, are you talking about raids which were approved > >> of / commanded by / directed by Muhammad? > >> > >> __________________________________________________ > > > > __________________________________________________ > > You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto: > [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: send a blank email to > > mailto:leave-549224-68452.e157d5dc5efabb63696f251595c88...@list.jccc.edu > > Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to > > [email protected] > > Or subscribe: > > http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st > > Baha'i Studies is available through the following: > > Mail - mailto:[email protected] > > Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st > > News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st > > Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > __________________________________________________ > You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[email protected] > Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto: > leave-549228-2080565.74e62800577573ae18970b78170ff...@list.jccc.edu > Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to > [email protected] > Or subscribe: > http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st > Baha'i Studies is available through the following: > Mail - mailto:[email protected] > Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st > News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st > Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[email protected] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-549229-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [email protected] Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[email protected] Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]
