Hi, William,

At 08:36 AM 9/30/03 +1200, you wrote:
>>What I do doubt is that there is for Literalists an assumption of isomorphism 
>>between words and reality. (Do any of them actually say this, 'We base our 
>>interpretive practice on an isomorphism between words and reality'?)<<

I doubt in those precise terms. However, the dogma of verbal inerrancy, which is 
confessed by most fundamentalists (and accepted, often in a watered-down form, by many 
neo-evangelicals) is basically a God-text isomophism. The premise is that God dictated 
His ideas, word by word, directly to the biblical authors. Although God may have 
chosen to make this dictation in the personality of each writer (channel?), it is 
still God's exact words.

One fundamentalist wrote: 

"Christ accepted the verbal inspiration of the Bible - the words, not just the 
thoughts."
http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/bible_&_Jesus.htm

"Inspiration means God so directed the writers that, using their individual styles in 
any way that seemed feasible to them, they produced His very words without error. 
However, the question now arises: How did God do it? There are various theories of 
inspiration. The foundation of all these various theories is one key issue: the dual 
authorship of the Scriptures. On the one hand, God wrote it; on the other hand, man 
wrote it."
http://www.ariel.org/ff00037c.html 

Verbal inerrancy is the most extreme position on literalism. A less extreme, and 
controversial, position is superintendence, which asserts that the biblical writers 
wrote in their own words, but under God's supervision and, where necessary, inspired 
correction. Either way, the words used are assumed by fundamentalists (not necessarily 
neo-evangelicals) to literally reflect God's ideas.

>>But were I convinced of that I would still suspect that they DON'T HAVE TO, in that 
>>that they could carry on their interpretive practice much as before without the 
>>assumption of isomorphism.<<

In that case, they would be neo-evangelicals. There is no love lost between the 
neo-evangelical movement, represented by the magazine, _Christianity Today_ (which 
coined the pejorative "fundie"), and fundamentalism. There is a wise spectrum of 
beliefs among neo-evangelicals. Some approach fundamentalism (without its extreme 
separatism). Others are closer to modernism (in encouraging higher criticism).

>>One reason I think this is that, as I conveyed in my last post, reading explicit 
>>prose as explicit prose is an everyday thing, and does not - or so I claim - assume 
>>isomorphism.<<

If that were all there was to it, no. However, your statement, IMO, puts the cart 
before the horse and asserts a causal relationship. It is *not* that, to 
fundamentalists, reading explicit prose as explicit prose assumes isomorphism. 
Certainly, it is possible to read prose as prose without being a fundamentalist. It 
*is* that a belief in isomorphism, or what I once called scriptural materialism, leads 
to reading all prose according to its apparent meaning.

>>A savvy Literalist should say. 'You read some things literally. We read this text 
>>literally (where it is not stylistically figurative). In so doing we assume no more 
>>than you do when you read things literally. If that is the isomorphism between words 
>>and reality then so be it.")<<

Reading some things literally is not necessarily literalism. I generally read the 
writings of the Guardian and the House of Justice, and the letters respectively 
written on their behalf, literally, but I do not subscribe to the philosophy of 
literalism.

>>So, am I right, without the assumption of isomorphism could Literalist's carry on 
>>their interpretive practices much as before?<<

I would not agree with that, no.

>>Lastly, you ask: "Yes, but what does it mean that something is literally true?" 
>>Leave aside "literally true", I think we all know what true means.<< 

By literalism, I mean a combination of two things: verbal inerrancy (or verbal 
inspiration) and a rejection of context (that letters written to Corinth and Ephesus 
are meant for all of us, for instance).

Mark A. Foster * http://MarkFoster.net 
http://CompuServe.m.foster.name


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