On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 2:00 PM, Jeremy Maitin-Shepard <[email protected]>
wrote:

> How about booking shared expenses to an Expenses:Joint:Rent (or similar)
> account?  If you want to keep track of joint expenses that your girlfriend
> paid for, you could make the source account:  Equity:Girlfriend-Paid or
> something similar?
>

You don't want to reflect the other person's expenses on your income
statement.
Or maybe I don't understand the particular transactions you envision
(provide a detailed example if you like).


>
> Tags on accounts (or postings?) would be a nice thing to have.
>

Metadata is supported at the moment.
Maybe a grammar redesign where either transactions AND postings both
support tags might be a good idea.
The thing is, I think it should be accompanied by a refactoring that
automatically merges tags into the metadata, perhaps with just a boolean
value.



>   Using tags on transactions for this purpose seems like a hack.
>

Oh no! It's exactly the type of usage it was designed for.



>
> Account tags can be simulated by just adding more colon-separated
> components, but that is annoying in various ways.
>

Yep indeed.



>
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 7:52 PM, Martin Blais <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 2:13 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 12:59:04PM -0500, Martin Blais wrote:
>>> > On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 12:50 PM, Simon Michael <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>> > > Congrats, Martin!!
>>>
>>> Ditto!
>>>
>>> > > Gonna present him with his ledger on his 18th birthday ? (Yikes :-)
>>>
>>> So, *cough* I'm actually doing the same think for my kid *cough*, with a
>>> tag for each transaction that is related to him.
>>>
>>> (Digression: the fact that you need the tag to be short looks like due
>>> to the current Beancount limitation of having to put tags on the same
>>> line of payee/description, which can get pretty long. I'm still doing
>>> this in Ledger-CLI --- and generating a beancount automatically from it
>>> for Fava and SQL-ish queries --- where tags can be on subsequent
>>> (comment) lines so the tag can get long-ish, without being too much of a
>>> hassle.)
>>>
>>
>> I could do this using metadata (and change the scripts), same same.
>> In fact, I could put the metadata on the postings instead of the
>> transaction, which would be more flexible.
>>
>>
>> But I'm not exactly sure to understand what's the benefit of Martin
>>> rewriting plugin --- aside from showing off the beautiful data
>>> model/flow that Beancount offers and which I love, that is :-)). Even
>>> with just a simple tag, I can filter all transactions with a simple
>>> query, and get a current balance (or filtered ledger, or whatever),
>>> where the categories are the "right" ones, in the sense that grocery
>>> would be (baby-related) Expenses:Grocery, clothes Expenses:Clothes, etc.
>>>
>>
>> My goals are different. On my personal ledger I don't want to see my
>> son's expenses categories. It wouldn't make much sense because my mix of
>> payments differs from the total costs associated with his maintenance. Say,
>> for example, that I tend to pay for all the nanny stuff and the mother pays
>> for all the food stuff. I would see a lot of nanny stuff on my balance
>> sheet, and no food expenses. The reality is that I pay for a good portion
>> of everything, and my son's ledger will more accurately reflect that
>> breakdown, and my costs are some fraction of that. So I choose not to track
>> this on my personal one, and I replace all these expenses by a single
>> account.
>>
>> Another way of doing what you do (and FWIW that's what I was going to do
>> originally), is to create a plugin that inserts a root for your kid in the
>> account name. For example, Expenses:Grocery could become
>> Expenses:Kid:Grocery, and so on. This way your balance sheet doesn't blend
>> your Grocery and your kid's.
>>
>>
>> What am I missing here?
>>>
>>
>> Let me provide a full example, and this should serve to clarify for
>> others as well.
>>
>> In my personal Beancount ledger, I import a transaction like this:
>>
>>   2018-01-26 * "CVS" "Pampers size 1"
>>     Liabilities:CreditCard           -30.17 USD
>>
>> I categorize it manually as I currently do, and while doing that, I also
>> notice it's for my kid. I insert a tag, so this is what I write:
>>
>>   2018-01-26 * "CVS" "Pampers size 1" #kid
>>     Liabilities:CreditCard           -30.17 USD
>>     Expenses:Pharmacy
>>
>> Note here that my categorization books to the same set of account which I
>> use for myself. That "Pharmacy" account is the same as mine, but it won't
>> show up there.
>> The beancount.plugins.divert_expenses plugin renames that to this
>> automatically:
>>
>>   2018-01-26 * "CVS" "Pampers size 1" #kid
>>     Liabilities:CreditCard           -30.17 USD
>>     Expenses:Kid
>>
>> Now, when I filter and extract his transactions from my personal ledger
>> using the extract_beancount script, I have to disable the plugin (I just
>> realized this bit is missing, will code it right away) when I read it, and
>> instead change the inflow account, so it becomes this:
>>
>>   2018-01-26 * "CVS" "Pampers size 1" #kid
>>     Income:Dad           -30.17 USD
>>     Expenses:Pharmacy
>>
>> Furthermore, the Google Sheets script which imports the mother's expenses
>> produces something like this:
>>
>>   2018-01-26 * "Union Mkt" "Baby food" #kid
>>     Income:Mom           -15.36 USD
>>     Expenses:Grocery
>>
>> And his ledger includes both of these files.
>> There are no assets (yet), and two income accounts.
>> Optionally, I could attempt to maintain the particular source of the
>> payments on his side (e.g. Income:Dad:CreditCard1).
>>
>> I hope this helps,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Cheers.
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