The confusion you are seeing is because of the curious mirroring that vista
does for program files. If you write to program files and aren't admin the
write apears (in many ways) to have been done but the file is in fact
written to home appdata virtual whatever. This is ok for trivial things like
and allows old apps that write trivial things like user config files to
their own temp folders in program files. However, it can get very confusing.
If you run as admin you see different files that if you aren't admin. And
other users won't see the files that were written to your home. And some
file ops work and some don't. For example you can create folders and files
but you can't cd to them.
The only way to try to keep this clean is for J to try to ensure that writes
to program files are only done as admin.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Mitchell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Beta forum" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Jbeta] new J32 windows cbeta
I tried the System install option. It failed with 'Create folder failed:
"C:\Program Files\j602"' There was never a request for confirmation.
Windows Explorer shows no such file or directory, even with all hiding
options turned off in Folder Options. DOS DIR shows nothing. I tried a
Unixish LS DOS command and it showed C:\Program Files\J602. So did J601
1!:0 'c:\program files\*':
j602│2007 12 2 6 9 1 │0 │rw-│----d-
However, it does not seem to be a functional directory as I could not CD
to it in the CMD window.
If I start the J602c install with "Run as Administrator", the System
install works fine.
David Mitchell
David Mitchell wrote:
I missed the note on the uninstall steps. You might want to consider
putting that note on the first install page. That way folks who go to
rerun the install to do an uninstall, in Windows inimitable style, would
see the message and take appropriate action.
I'm running on an AMD Turion 64 X2 Tl-56 with 2G memory and Vista Home
Premium. I turned off Indexing and the reinstall time dropped to 40
seconds. I turned off the McAfee real time protection services and it
dropped to 20 seconds.
J601 took 30 seconds for the unzip portion of the install (in the same
configuration as the 20 second 602 install). It took an additional 5-10
seconds for the final steps, mainly responding to the various windows.
Thanks,
David Mitchell
Eric Iverson wrote:
Currently the J installer does not set any registry entries and so does
no appear in uninstall programs. I would like to stick to not using the
registry if possible. The last install page does say:
Uninstall: delete J folder and program group.
Can't imagine why it took 120 seconds. Is the timer number ticking up
all that time? All it is doing is unzipping the install zip file and on
any modern system this should only take about 20 seconds (although it is
a bit slower if it is a reinstall).
The unzip program we distribute with J in tools is a bit slower than
pkzip and winzip but not that much. How long does a 601 install take on
that same system?
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Mitchell"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Beta forum" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Jbeta] new J32 windows cbeta
Eric Iverson wrote:
There is a new version of j602cbeta_win.exe that makes it easier to
have installs in Program Files.
I have slowly become more comfortable with the curious behavior of
Program Files in Vista and it is practially a first class citizen in
the current version.
The nasty anomolies that bothered me go away as long as the installer
and JAL insist on running as admin if the install is in Program Files.
This version of the installer does that and there will be hooks that
allow JAL to also insist on admin.
The new install with the Standard option seemed to work fine, although
it took about 120 seconds. I went to see if I could uninstall it and
reinstall using the System option.
I couldn't find any entry for J602 in Uninstall Programs in Vista. Is
there another way to uninstall J602?
David Mitchell
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