Philip Meyer;542530 Wrote: > >AA tags are given a meaning by SBS that they are NOT intended to have. > > >SBS draws conclusions about comp status from AA tags, and you say its > >not true, when it is! > > > No it doesn't. When AA is present it works as intended - I think even > you agree with what it does if a tag is present. > That is irrespective of Compilation indicator.
SBS does lots of things when an AA tag is present. most of them don't bother me (although i reserve judgment on "track artists.") but regardless of that i generally don't have an issue with what SBS does EXCEPT when it confers a meaning of comp status to the tag! that isn't a "by-product" nor is it truly an "abuse" of the tag; what it IS, is just a stupid thing to do. as i have said mny times now, just b/c something has AA tags DOESN'T mean it isn't a comp, and just b/c it doesn't have AA tags but does have TPE1 mismatches, that doesn't mean it is a comp. Philip Meyer;542530 Wrote: > > >its not about what SBS does when explicit comp tags are present, its > >about what it does when they aren't > > > If there are varying main artists and no AA tag, then the AA tag hasn't > implied a meaning that the album is a Compilation. obviously; its kinda hard for a tag that *isn't present* to imply much of anything, no? thats my whole point. yet SBS is designed to take meaning from that absence in that case. thats where the problem is, with SBS, not the missing AA tag. Philip Meyer;542530 Wrote: > Because an AA tag or compilation tag isn't present, there are many main > contributors, so identifying the one artist that is the owner of the > album is not possible, so SBS sets the album as a compilation. we've been over this, we both know how the VA detect logic works. Philip Meyer;542530 Wrote: > That is not an abuse/misuse of Album Artist. yes it is. as i said, SBS is drawing a conclusion about comp status based on AA tags. in one case, if they are present, then its a blanket 'not a comp.' in the other case, if they aren't present, then as long as there is a single TPE1 mismatch, they are a comp. thats how SBS actually works, thats how it was designed to work, and thats what i have a beef with. Philip Meyer;542530 Wrote: > Again: if the AA tag is present, it is honoured correctly, whether > COMPILATION=0 or 1 or not present. another strawman; in some ways it is honored correctly, but i never said otherwise. all i am complaining about here is that it has an effect of SBS's determination of if it is a comp or not, thats the beef. and again, i don't know how many times i need to say this, but i am talking about cases where an explicit comp tag is not present. Philip Meyer;542530 Wrote: > But you are suggesting that SBS should detect various strings in an AA > tag as representing Compilation status, which IS an abuse of it's > intended use. OPTIONALLY. and what i am talking about is apparently already hardcoded into the app, and so i am trying to also give you a way to have it NOT happen, b/c unlike you, i can see the other side's POV as also being legitimate. and btw, its much more precise when the user can take total control over SBS, then have to conform to the whims of SBS designers. Philip Meyer;542530 Wrote: > Also, what would take precidence if there was a compilation tag and > AA=Various Artists, because there would be two ways of signifying > compilation status. let me remind you that the devs are the ones doing this, not me. but i think its already been established that as far as comp status alone goes, explicit comp tags always take precedence, and i see no reason why that should change. i'd guess you agree, yes? Philip Meyer;542530 Wrote: > > >moreover, these user defined strings should have no relationship to > the > >SBS option that already exists where you can define the "name" of the > >category (from the default name "Various Artists") you want comps to > >appear in. thats a presentation option imo, nothing more. > > > I haven't checked myself, but my understanding is that the existing > library setting to define the artist name for compilation presentation > has been re-used as a name for detecting compilation status from Album > Artist tags. yes, that is what Jim has said. again, i'm assuming you don't like that. so why don't we stop fighting over dogma, and design a best way to handle this? Philip Meyer;542530 Wrote: > > >maybe so, but clearly if Jim is correct about 7.6 (i haven't tested > >that yet), then the devs are moving in this direction anyway, and so > >instead of pointlessly fighting each other, we should encourage them > to > >NOT hardcode this, and make it 100% user definable, with no strings > >defined meaning "off." i would think on this we could agree, yes??? > > > No, I think it shouldn't be configurable. Nothing within Album Artist > tag content should signify compilation status. No other app does that, > it's inconsistent, and a bad path to go down. too late. there's just no reasoning with you. Philip Meyer;542530 Wrote: > Next someone will be wanting Genre=Soundtrack to also be configurable as > an indication on Compilation status, or if certain words appear in the > album name, such as "compilation" or "collection". and the devs can either do them or not. but whats the big harm if they do??? this is what you can't explain. there is no harm as long as the user can leave it all blank, and thereby defeat the function. yet you want to be the grinch and deny the ability to everyone b/c you don't like it. its selfish. Philip Meyer;542530 Wrote: > > >(and make sure they don't conflate it with the related yet separate > >presentation option) > > > Too late. wow, you give up easy, at least, where the devs are concerned. Philip Meyer;542530 Wrote: > > >you can't just admit you were wrong, can you? > > > I'm not. you are. Philip Meyer;542530 Wrote: > > >for all practical intents and purposes, the presence of an AA tag > means > >to SBS "this is not a comp" > > > Adding an AA tag avoids such an album becoming a compilation > indirectly. It's a byproduct of the fact that it defines a single > owner for the album. A post-scan phase finds albums that don't have a > single artist, and classifies them as a compilation. > > The presence of an AA tag doesn't mean "this is not a comp". eg. > AA=XYZ and COMPILATION=1 means an album is a compilation, but the main > contributor is XYZ, not "Various Artists". nonsense. this has now been rehashed to death. we aren't talking about unrelated scenarios where explicit comp tags are present, so thats a dopey extraneous point to make. it isn't a byproduct either, as if its somehow unrelated or unintended. SBS is specifically designed to have an AA tag DEFEAT its stupid VA detect logic. if you refuse to see that, you have your head in the sand. Philip Meyer;542530 Wrote: > > >and the SBS approach is dopey anyway. all things with TPE1 > mismatches > >aren't always necessarily comps; likewise all things with AA tags > >aren't always NOT comps. the whole paradigm is stupid and broken. > it > >gets the actual reality of the albums true classification wrong way > too > >much. > > > I disagree. It is right for the vast majority of cases, and is only > there because there's not enough information to make a 100% correct > decision. No amount of hacks to make various strings in other tags > represent compilation status will ever be 100% correct either. Fix the > tags, and albums will be classified correctly. ridiculous. like i said, there just is no reasoning with you. obviously the devs disagree with you, if they are moving in this direction. i was hoping Phil, genuinely hoping that even if we had a gentleman's disagreement over the philosophy of all this, we could set that aside to get the devs to get this new way right. as of right now, they have a hardcoded system that i would think you would hate and want changed. but instead of working together to propose a new and better way than what the devs are doing, you just want to whine over the injustice of it all, and throw up your hands saying "too late." what a shame. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 & sbc (my home) / sbr (parent's home) - sbs 7.5b - win xp pro sp3 ie8 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 40k+ mp3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77928 _______________________________________________ beta mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
