It's good to see the city looking into these numbers.

I couldn't count the number of times I hear people who live elsewhere in
the state comment that they hate coming to Madison because "Madison's"
drivers are so bad.   I always tell them they are not really "Madison's"
drivers, but drivers who live outside the city and "just work here".  

Now I got a number to use -- 60,000!  No wonder Madison's taxes are so
high.  We're subsidizing 60,000 people who pay taxes elsewhere, but
congest our streets and highways, pollute our air, take up our parking
spots and make things unsafe for we pedestrians and bicyclists who try to
live a normal life in this city, 24 hours each day.

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:41:12 -0500 "William Schaefer"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> MPO staff just gave a presentation last night to our Policy Board on 
> 2000 Census work trip commuting data. The data is by place of 
> residence. We will be putting this data on our web site 
> (www.madisonareampo.org) in the next couple of months.
> 
> Data by place of work and journey-to-work will be available by the 
> end of the year. This will allow us to calcuate means of 
> transportation to work for those working (vs. living) in the City of 
> Madison/Madison urban area/Dane County.
> 
> According to the Census data, there were over 16,000 workers 
> residing in adjacent counties commuting to the City of Madison 
> compared to almost 60,000 workers from Dane County municipalities. 
> Columbia County had the most workers commuting to the City of 
> Madison (just over 5,000). Rock County was next highest (2,700).
> 
> The percent of Dane County workers commuting to the City of Madison 
> and the "Madison urban area" (Madison, Middleton, Fitchburg, Monona, 
> McFarland) declined for the first time from 1990 to 2000. The number 
>  of commuters still increased (by 7,000 to 60,000 to the City of 
> Madison and by 10,750 to 51,500 to the urban area - not counting the 
> urban area residents).    
> 
> >>> "timwong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 08/26/03 12:27AM >>>
> Bill or others,
> 
> Do you have the percentage of commuters into Madison/Dane County 
> from
> outside the county?  I know this number is readily available.  I 
> think Mike
> is correct that most people from outside the county are not walking 
> or
> bicycling, but even if we added all the non-county residents into 
> the Dane
> County totals as "Drove alone" and "Carpooled," I don't think it 
> would
> change the numbers that much.  Unless 40% or more of all commuters 
> are from
> outside the county, I think I get Mike's bike (%age needed to water 
> down the
> 1.7% figure to less than 1.0%).
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > The other group this "Dane County" census does not consider, who
> > certainly add to auto congestion and unhealthy air in Madison (and 
> global
> > warming, of course) is the auto commuter traffic to Madison 
> originating
> > in Sauk City/Prairee, New Glarus, Columbus, Poynette, Baraboo, 
> Barneveld,
> > Portage, Dodgeville, W. Cambridge, Waterloo, Lodi, and all the 
> other
> > areas outside of incorporated areas between many of these cities.  
> With
> > these auto commuters to Madison included as part of "Madison's" 
> commuter
> > traffic problem, I'd bet my bike that the total number of 
> bicyclists who
> > exclusively commute to work in Madison noways is less than 1% of 
> all
> > those who drive to Madison to work or study, and who are located 
> within a
> > 50 mile radius of Madison.
> >
> 
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