Wayfinding signs with distance and estimated time are a great idea. india
WeAreAllMechanics.com [email protected] Stay connected- Follow WAAM on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/We.Are.All.Mechanics> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Harald Kliems <[email protected]> wrote: > This is something that Mia Birk of Alta Planning mentioned in one of her > talks: people driving tend to overestimate how long biking to a destination > takes while underestimating how long driving takes. To fix the former, > Portland (Ore.) installed a lot of way finding signs that include distance > and time to destination (I believe based on an 8 mph average speed). I > think something like that would be great for Madison. > > Harald > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 4:46 PM Grant Foster <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Distance isn't necessarily a good proxy for easier/faster/more convenient >> for transit vs bike. Ease and convenience are pretty relative and >> subjective terms, but biking is probably faster than transit for a lot of >> people. I live 8.5 miles away from my work (Dempsey/Cottage Grove Rd to >> Todd Dr./Frontage Rd.) and have a bus stop right outside my front door and >> relatively close to my workplace. Google maps estimates my time by bike to >> be 43 minutes (real world time for me is ~35 minutes during most of the >> year and closer to 45 minutes in the winter). Google puts my trip by bus at >> 1:04 minutes. I actually need to leave by 6:51 in order to get to work by >> 8:00, so there's also that wait time as compared to a bike. If I worked at >> UW Hospital it would take me 1:05 by bus vs. 39 minutes by bike. It'd be >> cool if someone could do a visualization of trip times for transit vs. bike >> in Madison and I bet a lot of people would be surprised at how quick biking >> is, especially when compared to transit. >> >> If you live and work in Madison, it's hard to beat a bike to get you >> where you need to be. >> >> >> >> On Fri Feb 13 2015 at 2:43:46 PM Robbie Webber <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I was actually sort of impressed that so many people mentioned the need >>> for improved and more bike parking (and showers, locker rooms, etc.) What >>> that shows, along with the very high mode split among people making > >>> $55,000, is that people who likely have a transportation choice are opting >>> to bike. We have excellent facilities as far as the average American city >>> or workplace goes. I wonder how many other workplaces with over 15,000 >>> employees and 40,000+ other daily commuters have parking as good as ours. >>> >>> But I was also very surprised that biking was so far ahead of transit. >>> Obviously, that's for good weather. Do people in that income category live >>> significantly closer so that biking is easier/faster/more convenient than >>> bus? >>> >>> And the attitudes and mode splits at the Hospital just seemed to be so >>> radically different. Some of it is surely due to scheduling, but it can't >>> all be that. >>> >>> Robbie Webber >>> Transportation Policy Analyst >>> 608-263-9984 (o) >>> 608-225-0002 (c) >>> [email protected] >>> All opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those >>> of my employer or any other group with which I am affiliated. >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 1:58 PM, STRAWSER, Charles < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> “Also mentioned is better/more bike parking” >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yep. Working on that. And we passed a milestone in fall 2014 – we now >>>> have more free bike parking spaces on campus than we spaces for cars. >>>> >>>> Roughly 13,100 bike parking spaces vs about 13,000 car spaces. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And we have already replaced all but about 600 of the old, awful bike >>>> racks on campus (you know, the wheelbenders, and the “wave” racks that are >>>> so popular with architects because they look pretty when empty). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Most dorms now have 1 bike parking space for every 2 residents (Sellery >>>> and Witte are notable exceptions, but there’s a $40 million project there >>>> that should improve bike parking there). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And we’re not done yet. Our goal is 14,500 spaces that all meet campus >>>> standards by 2017. >>>> >>>> And we are on track to do that. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I’ve started working on UW-Madison’s reapplication to League of >>>> American Bicyclists for a better Bicycle Friendly University status (we >>>> were named silver in 2011), and honestly, more and better bike parking is >>>> the main obstacle to gold (or perhaps even platinum) status, imo. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> But I’d welcome your comments here , or directly to me, about that. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> chuck >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Bikies [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of >>>> *Robbie Webber >>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 13, 2015 1:27 PM >>>> *To:* Bikies >>>> *Subject:* [Bikies] Survey of UW transportation issues >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Very interesting responses. There are actually two documents: one >>>> <http://transportation.wisc.edu/files/SurveyReports/2014SurveyReportMain.pdf> >>>> is just the percentages of people that answered questions in a certain way, >>>> and the appendices >>>> <http://transportation.wisc.edu/files/SurveyReports/2014SurveyReportAppendices.pdf> >>>> include comments verbatim. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I found several things especially interesting. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Biking to campus is the second highest mode after driving alone for >>>> faculty and staff making over $55,000/yr >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The comments section was especially interesting and had a number of >>>> strong themes: >>>> >>>> - Faculty/staff that drive part way into the city and then either >>>> bike or take the bus, >>>> - Faculty/staff that love the bus pass program, >>>> - Faculty/staff complaining about the cost of parking on campus, >>>> - Hospital employees overwhelmingly complained about parking, but >>>> many more issues than just the cost, although that was also the top >>>> complaint. Schedules or the bus and work not matching are significant >>>> problems. >>>> - Hospital employees are much more outright hostile to UW Parking >>>> and Transportation Services than other groups. Many m ore comments that >>>> said, "We shouldn't have to pay to come to work." >>>> - Faculty/staff that would like better transit options to allow >>>> them to drive less. These include longer hours of service/more >>>> frequency, >>>> service to areas that don't have it now, and more direct connections to >>>> campus from some areas. Also mentioned is better/more bike parking and >>>> showers. >>>> - Students complaining about overcrowded buses. Faculty/staff too, >>>> but the #80 seems to be the biggest problem. >>>> - Very few faculty, staff, or students use Monona Transit. More UW >>>> Hospital employees use Monona Transit. >>>> >>>> I have a bit more sympathy for the hospital employees that work off >>>> hours, have to go to multiple locations of UW Clinics, or are "on call," so >>>> may not be able to plan travel easily. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> But there also seem to be a significant number of people in both >>>> professional categories (I'm leaving out students) who need to be a little >>>> more creative about using more than one mode to get to work. Except for >>>> maybe living somewhere car-dependent (which is a different subject), there >>>> is nothing wrong with driving in from your home in the 'burbs or farther >>>> reaches of Madison, parking for free on the street, and then jumping on the >>>> bus or your bike for the rest of the journey. Many people have obviously >>>> figured that out, but many more just can't wrap their head around the idea >>>> that the journey to work can involve more than one mode. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Robbie Webber >>>> Transportation Policy Analyst >>>> 608-263-9984 (o) >>>> >>>> 608-225-0002 (c) >>>> >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> All opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those >>>> of my employer or any other group with which I am affiliated. >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Bikies mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bikies mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > >
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