Thanks for all the information, John. -india
WeAreAllMechanics.com [email protected] Stay connected- Follow WAAM on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/We.Are.All.Mechanics> *"How can we learn from our mistakes if we don't first acknowledge them?" * On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 9:05 AM, John Rider <[email protected]> wrote: > Larry, > > > > The PPR does check all bikes they recover through all the official > databases. I’m pretty sure that they have paid to be a member of the > National Bike Registry which is one of the biggest “private” databases out > there so they can check it too. There are three or four other databases > that people have set up with new phone apps, but there is a question of > reliability of data with those since anybody can enter good or bad data > into them. Good question as to whether or not the Property Room could > legally share any data with people outside their clearance level. > > > > The Madison Bicycle Registration Program was reviewed by city > administration for possible changes a few years back, but there was no > decision made. I did a lot of research on what other communities have done > with registration, different funding and renewal schedules, but it became a > complicated and somewhat (internal) political issue and it never got out of > the committee system. > > > > I left the Bicycle Registration Coordinator position a year ago April, and > the position was vacant most of last summer. The new Bicycle Registration > Coordinator is doing a great job, but she has had to do a lot of catch-up > after a summer with almost no contact with bike dealers about the > registration process. > > > > I have my opinions on what could or should be done with bicycle > registration, but since I have left that job I will leave it to others to > figure it out. > > > > Thanks, > > John Rider > > > > *From:* Larry D Nelson [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2015 7:11 AM > *To:* 'John Rider'; [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: [Bikies] Stolen bikes > > > > John, I wonder if there is an opportunity here. Would it be helpful if > the Supervisor of the Police Property Room could be approached to determine > if the staff could check the data bases that have been mentioned in this > thread as a part of their intake procedure? Or enlist assistance from > volunteers? > > > > Obviously, the best system would be to replicate the vehicle registration > system of the WIDOT but it is necessary to secure the information regarding > the owner and the serial number. But Bikies are not known for wanting to > part with their dollar or have their bikes registered. And police > administrators are often focused on what they determine to be the problem. > > > > Regardless, I think that this problem can be fixed if the right people get > in the same room, share information, and propose alternatives. > > > > *From:* Bikies [mailto:[email protected] > <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *John Rider > *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2015 9:16 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [Bikies] Stolen bikes > > > > According to State Statutes, the fees collected can only go toward the > cost of maintaining the program. Those costs include the part time > registration coordinator, materials, any publicity costs, Safety Education > (potentially if better compliance brought in more funds), etc. I believe > that the program has been close to breaking even for most years, but not > sure since I did not know all of the behind the scenes overhead costs, > etc. > > > > As for impact on lost or stolen bicycles, the former Bicycle Recovery > person for the Police Property Room has said many times that she was > thrilled any time a bike with a registration sticker was recovered. > Because if it was registered, they got it back to its owner. If it wasn’t > registered, there was little chance they could find the owner. > > > > FYI: I was the Bicycle Registration Coordinator from late 2004 until > Spring 2014. > > > > John Rider > > > > *From:* Bikies [mailto:[email protected] > <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *William Hauda > *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2015 5:55 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [Bikies] Stolen bikes > > > > Kurt: > From, what I've been told it just pays for salaries for city > employees, but has no direct impact on lost or stolen bikes. People in the > know on this list can feel free to correct me if if I am misinformed. > Bill > > On 6/14/2015 4:42 PM, kurt bermuda wrote: > > Exactly where does that money go? > > > > > > On Sunday, June 14, 2015, John Rider <[email protected]> wrote: > > Just a reminder that if you live in Madison, you are legally required to > register your bicycle with the City. And, every bicycle dealer in the City > is required to register every bicycle that they sell to a Madison > resident. The cost is $10.00 for 4 years, but every bike ever registered > is still in that database. Not a well-known ordinance, almost no money for > publicity, not a high priority for the Police or the City Attorney’s > Office, but the ordinance is there none the less. Many bikes have been > returned to their owners by the Police Property Room because they were > registered. > > > > So if you bought a bicycle from a bike shop in Madison and they didn’t > offer to register your bike, the shop was in violation of city ordinance, > and they did you a disservice. They could have charged you the $10.00, > easily gotten all of the required info from you at the time of sale, and > your serial number and contact information would now be in an easily > searchable bicycle registration database. > > > > Just thought you would want to know, > > John Rider > > (Former City of Madison Bicycle Registration Coordinator) > > > > *From:* Bikies [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Harald > Kliems > *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2015 1:26 PM > *To:* William Hauda; bikies-danenet.org > *Subject:* Re: [Bikies] Stolen bikes > > > > There have recently been a couple of cases in Madison where a stolen bike > was recovered from pawn shops, at least partly based on the recorded serial > number. And then of course there were the 600 recovered bikes where the DA > had to drop the case against the alleged thieves/fences because it was > impossibly to prove that the bikes had indeed been stolen. Recorded serial > numbers certainly would've helped with that > http://www.wkow.com/story/29172015/2015/05/27/exclusive-police-seize-600-suspected-stolen-bikes-but-da-drops-case > > So no, a recorded serial number won't prevent your bike from being stolen > nor from being sold on Craigslist or at a yard sale. But if the bike _is_ > recovered, it'll provide you with an easy way to identify the bike and > prove ownership. > > > > Btw, the Bike Fed has partnered with BikeIndex to facilitate the > registration of your bikes in an online database: > http://wisconsinbikefed.org/2015/03/18/bike-theft-ring-busted-and-we-launch-stolen-bike-registry/ > > > > Harald. > > > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 4:11 AM William Hauda <[email protected]> wrote: > > This bike theft and the urging by Madison PD to keep a record of > serial numbers for identification again begs the question of how useful > that actually is. There is no national database of bicycle serial > numbers like there is of VINs for motor vehicles, so how can knowing the > serial number of a stolen bike even be helpful? > > http://www.channel3000.com/news/2700-bike-stolen-from-garage-in-madison-neighborhood/33549346 > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bikies mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > > > > ------------------------------ > > [image: Avast logo] <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > >
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