Some of you may recall that this scenario was also very problematic at the corner of Fish Hatchery road and County Highway PD, which also intersected the Capital City State Trail. So many car drivers there failed to even stop before turning right off of Southbound Fish Hatchery onto Westbound PD that a grade separated bridge over the intersection was built (at a cost of $1.5-2million) because apparently that was easier than enforcing the existing laws that would have made that intersection safe for all users if everyone complied with them.
When some bicyclists break the law, some car drivers advocate banning the whole user group from the public thoroughfares. But when some (arguably, most) car drivers break the law (at that location at that time), we build infrastructure to accommodate the previously illegal and unsafe behavior. Chuck Strawser Pedestrian & Bicycle Transportation Planner Commuter Solutions UW-Madison Transportation Services Please note that my email address has changed. My new email is [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Visit our University Bicycle Resource Center at Helen C White: http://transportation.wisc.edu/transportation/bike_annex.aspx How are we doing? Take our customer satisfaction survey at https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/CommSol_CSSurvey From: Bikies [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Grant Foster via Bikies Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 12:46 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Bikies] Right turning motor vehicles out of Sheraton across Cap City Trail They might work better than standard signs, but they don't work well. I rode through this morning as a driver was stopped there looking left. I told my boys to be very careful crossing, because I had a hunch. Right after they passed her, she started to turn right on red (without ever turning her head to the right) and very nearly ran over a woman on a bike that was riding right behind my boys. I yelled loud enough that the driver slammed on her brakes before running the woman over. This is so incredibly common at this corner (Division onto Eastwood). Right turn on red should be banned in urban environments where people are walking and biking through crosswalks (just like many civilized countries do). I have asked TE to consider adding the green material to this crossing as it might help some, but these are terrible spots for people on bikes and people on foot. On Tue, May 31, 2016, 21:09 Paul T. O'Leary via Bikies <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: On 2016/05/30 21:51, Mark Clear via Bikies wrote: > Hello Bikies, > > I got a tweet last week complaining that motorists don't obey the "no > turn on red" on westbound Rimrock at John Nolen, putting cyclists on > the trail at risk. Anyone else with this experience? Thanks. > > Mark Clear I wonder if any studies have been done on the effectiveness of the "light-up" NTOR signs that light up based on the traffic signal status. E.g. Atwood Ave at the Harmony Bar corner. As a motor vehicle driver, I find them eye-catching. If I had my druthers, every NTOR in the state would be so rigged. Either that, or the statute language / signage would be "flipped", so that the corners that _allow_ turn on red would have a "Right Allowed on Red After Stop (xxx time range)" sign, and the law would explicitly forbid the turn unless the sign is present (and in effect). I'm, er, not holding my breath. Meanwhile, this intersection would be an ideal candidate for a light-up sign, if indeed they're as effective as they appear (to me) to be. -- Paul T. O'Leary Chronic Nuisance Madison, WI USA _______________________________________________ Bikies mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org
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