ah ok. well I can sertenley understand that it would be a good way to do it but on the other hand I can also understand how cross posting would be a little easier for a lot of people. Even though it is not good edickit and all that I can sertenley see how it could be a lot easier then doing it the other way but to each there own. well many thanks as always rick for clearing up things. from Mich Verrier. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Harmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST
> That is the way to do it, it takes a few extra seconds and most people > just > refuse to do it because it's not convenient for them. > > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:52 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > o ok Many thanks for clearing that up. I really wasn't sure what was meant > by cross posting but now that I know I will try not to do it. What if you > were to write one message to one list select the text copy it to the clip > board and paste the same message to another list but opening up a new > message? say I wanted to write to blind computing and jaws users and write > the same message. well if I was to write one message to blind computing > and > then select all the text using alt a and then copy it to the clip board > and > then paste the same message in the message that I was sending to the jaws > users list with the same subject as the one that I was sending to the > blind > computing list would that be considered anything? many thanks for your > reply. from Mich Verrier. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Harmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > >> That is considered cross posting and isn't good etiquette for mailing >> lists. >> Also using BCC breaks peoples filters and is also considered bad >> etiquette >> on lists as well. >> >> Rick >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST >> >> >> ok I have a much more simple solution. why not just compose one message >> and >> go in to your cc field or bcc fealed in OE or something and then put >> the >> address of another list in that field and that way you can send it to >> both >> lists with out having to go through all that work? from Mich Verrier. >> That >> is what I do and it seems to work quite fine for me. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bill Gallik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST >> >> >>> OK Gang, >>> >>> Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and suggested >>> that >>> we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each list >>> separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not realize >>> a >>> convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just that: >>> >>> 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and then >>> copy >>> the entire contents of that text session ( <CONTROL> + <A> ) into the >>> clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( <CONTROL> + <P> ) into >>> the >>> two separate messages - one for each list. >>> >>> 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then >>> using >>> the <CONTROL>+<A> (copy all) and <CONTROL>+<P> commands to copy the >>> message >>> from one email composition for one list into a second email composition >>> for >>> the second list. >>> >>> Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both the >>> Blind >>> Computing and JAWS Users list. >>> >>> ---------------- >>> Bill Gallik >>> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> - "The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all >>> our >>> adversities." >>> - Sophocles >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "blind-computing" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM >>> Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST >>> >>> >>> All, >>> In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing the >>> management team >>> to take a closer look at general list operation. >>> A couple of items have come to the attention of the management team >>> and this applies to both the blind-computing, and jaws-users lists. >>> Members that are subscribed to both lists, will get this twice since it >>> will >>> be posted to both >>> lists. >>> 1. Cross-posting >>> Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the list has >>> increased. >>> We need to bring this method of posting to an end. >>> Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list etiquet, >>> it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it causes. >>> Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness on the part of >>> the >>> poster. >>> This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message rules in >>> their >>> e-mail client. >>> This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and discourteous to >>> others. >>> Members should not have to adjust their message rules , to accomodate >>> those >>> who won't take an extra >>> minute or so to post in a proper manner. >>> Additionally, it generates unnecessary list traffic, and actually serves >>> to >>> slow the overall >>> performance of the list. >>> If you want to post the same question to multiple lists, then it should >>> be >>> done on an individual >>> message basis. >>> I currently subscribe to more than 30 lists, and on occasion I will post >>> the >>> same question to >>> several lists, but I do it without cross-posting. >>> If you are subscribed to several lists, as I'm sure many are, then >>> post your question to the list that is most appropriate for it. >>> If you don't recieve an answer, then you can >>> figure 1 of 2 things generally speaking: >>> Either no one on-list has an answer to your question, or the person that >>> has >>> an answer hasn't read >>> the message yet. >>> If you don't get an answer on a specialized list such as for example >>> jaws-users.com, >>> Then post your question to a more generalized list such as >>> blind-computing.com. >>> There is a list of e-mail lists on the resources page at: >>> www.blind-computing.com >>> that includes links to other pages that contain additional e-mail list >>> information. >>> Also, just like placing o/t in the subject field doesn't make it okay to >>> post the message, >>> saying I apologize, or sorry for the cross-posting doesn't excuse the >>> action. >>> Placing this statement in the message says that the poster has only one >>> consideration, and that is >>> themselves. >>> Don't perform the action, and you won't have to apologize for it. >>> For those in an employment situation, I can understand your sense of >>> urgency >>> for an answer to a >>> problem, >>> but you get what you pay for, and if you expect a quick answer to your >>> question, you should be >>> getting tech support on a pay-for basis, where you can have more of a >>> say >>> in >>> how your request is >>> handled. >>> Let's remenmber that e-mail lists are comprised of people of all >>> computing >>> skills, >>> and that noone here is getting paid for the assistance they offer. >>> If you are not in an employment situation, and your questions are aimed >>> at >>> personal computing, then, >>> there should be less of a sense of urgency. >>> Everyone on the list does their best to respond in a timely mmanner. >>> So, we all need to be patient. >>> Keep in mind, that this doesn't mean one type of user is more deserving >>> of >>> help than another. >>> David and I will work on the appropriate wording for this , and it will >>> be >>> added to the list >>> guidelines, at the earliest possible time. >>> >>> 2. File Requests. >>> Recently, we have had some excellent contributions to the list, from >>> within >>> the membership. >>> And we want to encourage this to continue. >>> We will be working on a better system of file distribution, >>> so that when menmbers have files they want to share with the list, >>> we have a way for members to get the file, or files to the management >>> team >>> so that we can make them readily available to all list members. >>> The reason for this, is thatwhen a member posts to the list, that they >>> have >>> files to share, >>> this dramatically increases list traffic and band width. >>> In order to stream the process and make it more efficient, we will see >>> what >>> we can put in place >>> to facilitate this. >>> If we can make this happen, then there will be no need to post to the >>> list >>> asking people to send files privately. >>> If a member has a file that may benefit other users, and he or she wants >>> to >>> send it to another >>> member privately, >>> then they need to take that transaction completely off-list. >>> This will greatly reduce the occurance of people flooding the list with >>> requests for private e-mail attachments. >>> How it works: >>> When a member has a file to share with the list membership, >>> they need only make it available to the management team. >>> At this point, the management team can put the file in an accessible >>> location, and then make the >>> membership aware of that location, >>> with only one post to the list. >>> Now, you can see that 1 message is posted, but the file is available to >>> all >>> members. >>> Instant reduction in redundent messages to the list. >>> 3. Just a reminder, that we all, management team included, need to try >>> and >>> keep our subject lines on >>> track. >>> If David has additional comments he will post them in a seperate post. >>> >>> Richard Justice-list moderator >>> David A. Ferrin list owner >>> www.blind-computing.com >>> www.jaws-users.com >>> Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: >>> http://www.blind-computing.com >>> Address for the list archives: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject >>> or >>> body of a blank message to: >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Use the following form in order to contact the management team >>> http://www.blind-computing.com/contact.php >>> If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the >>> following >>> address: >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: >>> http://www.blind-computing.com >>> Address for the list archives: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject >>> or body of a blank message to: >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Use the following form in order to contact the management team >>> http://www.blind-computing.com/contact.php >>> If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the >>> following address: >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >> >> >> Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: >> http://www.blind-computing.com >> Address for the list archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> To post to this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject >> or >> body of a blank message to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Use the following form in order to contact the management team >> http://www.blind-computing.com/contact.php >> If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the >> following >> address: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: >> http://www.blind-computing.com >> Address for the list archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> To post to this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject >> or body of a blank message to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Use the following form in order to contact the management team >> http://www.blind-computing.com/contact.php >> If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the >> following address: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: > http://www.blind-computing.com > Address for the list archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > To post to this group, send email to > [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject > or > body of a blank message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Use the following form in order to contact the management team > http://www.blind-computing.com/contact.php > If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the > following > address: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: > http://www.blind-computing.com > Address for the list archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > To post to this group, send email to > [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject > or body of a blank message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Use the following form in order to contact the management team > http://www.blind-computing.com/contact.php > If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the > following address: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.blind-computing.com/contact.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
