hi well yes that ist rue. well I will do my best to not cross post then. smile. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ricque" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST
> Hi Mich, > Consider this: > The easiest way, isn't always the best way, or even the right way. > Just the same as the best price, isn't necessarily the lowest price. > As far as, to each his own, that will not apply to both of these lists > with regard to cross-posting. > Sometimes, you just gotta change with the times. smile > Richard Justice > www.blind-computing.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mich > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > ah ok. well I can sertenley understand that it would be a good way to do > it > but on the other hand I can also understand how cross posting would be a > little easier for a lot of people. Even though it is not good edickit and > all that I can sertenley see how it could be a lot easier then doing it > the > other way but to each there own. well many thanks as always rick for > clearing up things. from Mich Verrier. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Harmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > >> That is the way to do it, it takes a few extra seconds and most people >> just >> refuse to do it because it's not convenient for them. >> >> Rick >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:52 PM >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST >> >> >> o ok Many thanks for clearing that up. I really wasn't sure what was >> meant >> by cross posting but now that I know I will try not to do it. What if you >> were to write one message to one list select the text copy it to the clip >> board and paste the same message to another list but opening up a new >> message? say I wanted to write to blind computing and jaws users and >> write >> the same message. well if I was to write one message to blind computing >> and >> then select all the text using alt a and then copy it to the clip board >> and >> then paste the same message in the message that I was sending to the >> jaws >> users list with the same subject as the one that I was sending to the >> blind >> computing list would that be considered anything? many thanks for your >> reply. from Mich Verrier. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rick Harmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST >> >> >>> That is considered cross posting and isn't good etiquette for mailing >>> lists. >>> Also using BCC breaks peoples filters and is also considered bad >>> etiquette >>> on lists as well. >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:07 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST >>> >>> >>> ok I have a much more simple solution. why not just compose one message >>> and >>> go in to your cc field or bcc fealed in OE or something and then put >>> the >>> address of another list in that field and that way you can send it to >>> both >>> lists with out having to go through all that work? from Mich Verrier. >>> That >>> is what I do and it seems to work quite fine for me. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Bill Gallik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:22 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST >>> >>> >>>> OK Gang, >>>> >>>> Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and suggested >>>> that >>>> we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each >>>> list >>>> separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not >>>> realize >>>> a >>>> convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just that: >>>> >>>> 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and then >>>> copy >>>> the entire contents of that text session ( <CONTROL> + <A> ) into the >>>> clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( <CONTROL> + <P> ) into >>>> the >>>> two separate messages - one for each list. >>>> >>>> 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then >>>> using >>>> the <CONTROL>+<A> (copy all) and <CONTROL>+<P> commands to copy the >>>> message >>>> from one email composition for one list into a second email composition >>>> for >>>> the second list. >>>> >>>> Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both the >>>> Blind >>>> Computing and JAWS Users list. >>>> >>>> ---------------- >>>> Bill Gallik >>>> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> - "The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of >>>> all >>>> our >>>> adversities." >>>> - Sophocles >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "blind-computing" <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM >>>> Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST >>>> >>>> >>>> All, >>>> In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing the >>>> management team >>>> to take a closer look at general list operation. >>>> A couple of items have come to the attention of the management team >>>> and this applies to both the blind-computing, and jaws-users lists. >>>> Members that are subscribed to both lists, will get this twice since it >>>> will >>>> be posted to both >>>> lists. >>>> 1. Cross-posting >>>> Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the list has >>>> increased. >>>> We need to bring this method of posting to an end. >>>> Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list etiquet, >>>> it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it causes. >>>> Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness on the part of >>>> the >>>> poster. >>>> This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message rules in >>>> their >>>> e-mail client. >>>> This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and discourteous >>>> to >>>> others. >>>> Members should not have to adjust their message rules , to accomodate >>>> those >>>> who won't take an extra >>>> minute or so to post in a proper manner. >>>> Additionally, it generates unnecessary list traffic, and actually >>>> serves >>>> to >>>> slow the overall >>>> performance of the list. >>>> If you want to post the same question to multiple lists, then it should >>>> be >>>> done on an individual >>>> message basis. >>>> I currently subscribe to more than 30 lists, and on occasion I will >>>> post >>>> the >>>> same question to >>>> several lists, but I do it without cross-posting. >>>> If you are subscribed to several lists, as I'm sure many are, then >>>> post your question to the list that is most appropriate for it. >>>> If you don't recieve an answer, then you can >>>> figure 1 of 2 things generally speaking: >>>> Either no one on-list has an answer to your question, or the person >>>> that >>>> has >>>> an answer hasn't read >>>> the message yet. >>>> If you don't get an answer on a specialized list such as for example >>>> jaws-users.com, >>>> Then post your question to a more generalized list such as >>>> blind-computing.com. >>>> There is a list of e-mail lists on the resources page at: >>>> www.blind-computing.com >>>> that includes links to other pages that contain additional e-mail list >>>> information. >>>> Also, just like placing o/t in the subject field doesn't make it okay >>>> to >>>> post the message, >>>> saying I apologize, or sorry for the cross-posting doesn't excuse the >>>> action. >>>> Placing this statement in the message says that the poster has only >>>> one >>>> consideration, and that is >>>> themselves. >>>> Don't perform the action, and you won't have to apologize for it. >>>> For those in an employment situation, I can understand your sense of >>>> urgency >>>> for an answer to a >>>> problem, >>>> but you get what you pay for, and if you expect a quick answer to your >>>> question, you should be >>>> getting tech support on a pay-for basis, where you can have more of a >>>> say >>>> in >>>> how your request is >>>> handled. >>>> Let's remenmber that e-mail lists are comprised of people of all >>>> computing >>>> skills, >>>> and that noone here is getting paid for the assistance they offer. >>>> If you are not in an employment situation, and your questions are aimed >>>> at >>>> personal computing, then, >>>> there should be less of a sense of urgency. >>>> Everyone on the list does their best to respond in a timely mmanner. >>>> So, we all need to be patient. >>>> Keep in mind, that this doesn't mean one type of user is more deserving >>>> of >>>> help than another. >>>> David and I will work on the appropriate wording for this , and it will >>>> be >>>> added to the list >>>> guidelines, at the earliest possible time. >>>> >>>> 2. File Requests. >>>> Recently, we have had some excellent contributions to the list, from >>>> within >>>> the membership. >>>> And we want to encourage this to continue. >>>> We will be working on a better system of file distribution, >>>> so that when menmbers have files they want to share with the list, >>>> we have a way for members to get the file, or files to the management >>>> team >>>> so that we can make them readily available to all list members. >>>> The reason for this, is thatwhen a member posts to the list, that they >>>> have >>>> files to share, >>>> this dramatically increases list traffic and band width. >>>> In order to stream the process and make it more efficient, we will see >>>> what >>>> we can put in place >>>> to facilitate this. >>>> If we can make this happen, then there will be no need to post to the >>>> list >>>> asking people to send files privately. >>>> If a member has a file that may benefit other users, and he or she >>>> wants >>>> to >>>> send it to another >>>> member privately, >>>> then they need to take that transaction completely off-list. >>>> This will greatly reduce the occurance of people flooding the list with >>>> requests for private e-mail attachments. >>>> How it works: >>>> When a member has a file to share with the list membership, >>>> they need only make it available to the management team. >>>> At this point, the management team can put the file in an accessible >>>> location, and then make the >>>> membership aware of that location, >>>> with only one post to the list. >>>> Now, you can see that 1 message is posted, but the file is available to >>>> all >>>> members. >>>> Instant reduction in redundent messages to the list. >>>> 3. Just a reminder, that we all, management team included, need to try >>>> and >>>> keep our subject lines on >>>> track. >>>> If David has additional comments he will post them in a seperate post. >>>> >>>> Richard Justice-list moderator >>>> David A. Ferrin list owner >>>> www.blind-computing.com >>>> www.jaws-users.com >>>> Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: >>>> http://www.blind-computing.com >>>> Address for the list archives: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>> [email protected] >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the >>>> subject >>>> or >>>> body of a blank message to: >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Use the following form in order to contact the management team >>>> http://www.blind-computing.com/contact.php >>>> If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the >>>> following >>>> address: >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: >>>> http://www.blind-computing.com >>>> Address for the list archives: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>> [email protected] >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the >>>> subject >>>> or body of a blank message to: >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Use the following form in order to contact the management team >>>> http://www.blind-computing.com/contact.php >>>> If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the >>>> following address: >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>> >>> >>> Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: >>> http://www.blind-computing.com >>> Address for the list archives: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject >>> or >>> body of a blank message to: >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Use the following form in order to contact the management team >>> http://www.blind-computing.com/contact.php >>> If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the >>> following >>> address: >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> >>> Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: >>> http://www.blind-computing.com >>> Address for the list archives: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject >>> or body of a blank message to: >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Use the following form in order to contact the management team >>> http://www.blind-computing.com/contact.php >>> If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the >>> following address: >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >> >> >> Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: >> http://www.blind-computing.com >> Address for the list archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> To post to this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject >> or >> body of a blank message to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Use the following form in order to contact the management team >> http://www.blind-computing.com/contact.php >> If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the >> following >> address: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: >> http://www.blind-computing.com >> Address for the list archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> To post to this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject >> or body of a blank message to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Use the following form in order to contact the management team >> http://www.blind-computing.com/contact.php >> If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the >> following address: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > > > Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: > http://www.blind-computing.com > Address for the list archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > To post to this group, send email to > [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject > or body of a blank message > to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Use the following form in order to contact the management team > http://www.blind-computing.com/contact.php > If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the > following address: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: > http://www.blind-computing.com > Address for the list archives: > 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