Hi David and Rick, Uh, I must be a little dense. I think that I misinterpreted what cross posting mean. I thought that cross posting meant sending the same Email to both list? Can you please set me straight because I sent a question a little while ago to blind computing and have not received an answer. However, I did not send the same question to Jaws User.
Excuse me for not understanding. Lennie At 08:56 PM 7/24/2007, you wrote: >hi well yes that ist rue. well I will do my best to not cross post then. >smile. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ricque" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:57 PM >Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > > Hi Mich, > > Consider this: > > The easiest way, isn't always the best way, or even the right way. > > Just the same as the best price, isn't necessarily the lowest price. > > As far as, to each his own, that will not apply to both of these lists > > with regard to cross-posting. > > Sometimes, you just gotta change with the times. smile > > Richard Justice > > www.blind-computing.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mich > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:35 PM > > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > > > > ah ok. well I can sertenley understand that it would be a good way to do > > it > > but on the other hand I can also understand how cross posting would be a > > little easier for a lot of people. Even though it is not good edickit and > > all that I can sertenley see how it could be a lot easier then doing it > > the > > other way but to each there own. well many thanks as always rick for > > clearing up things. from Mich Verrier. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rick Harmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > > > >> That is the way to do it, it takes a few extra seconds and most people > >> just > >> refuse to do it because it's not convenient for them. > >> > >> Rick > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:52 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > >> > >> > >> o ok Many thanks for clearing that up. I really wasn't sure what was > >> meant > >> by cross posting but now that I know I will try not to do it. What if you > >> were to write one message to one list select the text copy it to the clip > >> board and paste the same message to another list but opening up a new > >> message? say I wanted to write to blind computing and jaws users and > >> write > >> the same message. well if I was to write one message to blind computing > >> and > >> then select all the text using alt a and then copy it to the clip board > >> and > >> then paste the same message in the message that I was sending to the > >> jaws > >> users list with the same subject as the one that I was sending to the > >> blind > >> computing list would that be considered anything? many thanks for your > >> reply. from Mich Verrier. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Rick Harmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:23 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > >> > >> > >>> That is considered cross posting and isn't good etiquette for mailing > >>> lists. > >>> Also using BCC breaks peoples filters and is also considered bad > >>> etiquette > >>> on lists as well. > >>> > >>> Rick > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> To: <[email protected]> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:07 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > >>> > >>> > >>> ok I have a much more simple solution. why not just compose one message > >>> and > >>> go in to your cc field or bcc fealed in OE or something and then put > >>> the > >>> address of another list in that field and that way you can send it to > >>> both > >>> lists with out having to go through all that work? from Mich Verrier. > >>> That > >>> is what I do and it seems to work quite fine for me. > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Bill Gallik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> To: <[email protected]> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:22 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > >>> > >>> > >>>> OK Gang, > >>>> > >>>> Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and suggested > >>>> that > >>>> we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each > >>>> list > >>>> separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not > >>>> realize > >>>> a > >>>> convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just that: > >>>> > >>>> 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and then > >>>> copy > >>>> the entire contents of that text session ( <CONTROL> + <A> ) into the > >>>> clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( <CONTROL> + <P> ) into > >>>> the > >>>> two separate messages - one for each list. > >>>> > >>>> 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then > >>>> using > >>>> the <CONTROL>+<A> (copy all) and <CONTROL>+<P> commands to copy the > >>>> message > >>>> from one email composition for one list into a second email composition > >>>> for > >>>> the second list. > >>>> > >>>> Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both the > >>>> Blind > >>>> Computing and JAWS Users list. > >>>> > >>>> ---------------- > >>>> Bill Gallik > >>>> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> - "The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of > >>>> all > >>>> our > >>>> adversities." > >>>> - Sophocles > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> To: "blind-computing" <[email protected]> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM > >>>> Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> All, > >>>> In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing the > >>>> management team > >>>> to take a closer look at general list operation. > >>>> A couple of items have come to the attention of the management team > >>>> and this applies to both the blind-computing, and jaws-users lists. > >>>> Members that are subscribed to both lists, will get this twice since it > >>>> will > >>>> be posted to both > >>>> lists. > >>>> 1. Cross-posting > >>>> Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the list has > >>>> increased. > >>>> We need to bring this method of posting to an end. > >>>> Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list etiquet, > >>>> it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it causes. > >>>> Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness on the part of > >>>> the > >>>> poster. > >>>> This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message rules in > >>>> their > >>>> e-mail client. > >>>> This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and discourteous > >>>> to > >>>> others. > >>>> Members should not have to adjust their message rules , to accomodate > >>>> those > >>>> who won't take an extra > >>>> minute or so to post in a proper manner. > >>>> Additionally, it generates unnecessary list traffic, and actually > >>>> serves > >>>> to > >>>> slow the overall > >>>> performance of the list. > >>>> If you want to post the same question to multiple lists, then it should > >>>> be > >>>> done on an individual > >>>> message basis. > >>>> I currently subscribe to more than 30 lists, and on occasion I will > >>>> post > >>>> the > >>>> same question to > >>>> several lists, but I do it without cross-posting. > >>>> If you are subscribed to several lists, as I'm sure many are, then > >>>> post your question to the list that is most appropriate for it. > >>>> If you don't recieve an answer, then you can > >>>> figure 1 of 2 things generally speaking: > >>>> Either no one on-list has an answer to your question, or the person > >>>> that > >>>> has > >>>> an answer hasn't read > >>>> the message yet. > >>>> If you don't get an answer on a specialized list such as for example > >>>> jaws-users.com, > >>>> Then post your question to a more generalized list such as > >>>> blind-computing.com. > >>>> There is a list of e-mail lists on the resources page at: > >>>> www.blind-computing.com > >>>> that includes links to other pages that contain additional e-mail list > >>>> information. > >>>> Also, just like placing o/t in the subject field doesn't make it okay > >>>> to > >>>> post the message, > >>>> saying I apologize, or sorry for the cross-posting doesn't excuse the > >>>> action. > >>>> Placing this statement in the message says that the poster has only > >>>> one > >>>> consideration, and that is > >>>> themselves. > >>>> Don't perform the action, and you won't have to apologize for it. > >>>> For those in an employment situation, I can understand your sense of > >>>> urgency > >>>> for an answer to a > >>>> problem, > >>>> but you get what you pay for, and if you expect a quick answer to your > >>>> question, you should be > >>>> getting tech support on a pay-for basis, where you can have more of a > >>>> say > >>>> in > >>>> how your request is > >>>> handled. > >>>> Let's remenmber that e-mail lists are comprised of people of all > >>>> computing > >>>> skills, > >>>> and that noone here is getting paid for the assistance they offer. > >>>> If you are not in an employment situation, and your questions are aimed > >>>> at > >>>> personal computing, then, > >>>> there should be less of a sense of urgency. > >>>> Everyone on the list does their best to respond in a timely mmanner. > >>>> So, we all need to be patient. > >>>> Keep in mind, that this doesn't mean one type of user is more deserving > >>>> of > >>>> help than another. > >>>> David and I will work on the appropriate wording for this , and it will > >>>> be > >>>> added to the list > >>>> guidelines, at the earliest possible time. > >>>> > >>>> 2. File Requests. > >>>> Recently, we have had some excellent contributions to the list, from > >>>> within > >>>> the membership. > >>>> And we want to encourage this to continue. > >>>> We will be working on a better system of file distribution, > >>>> so that when menmbers have files they want to share with the list, > >>>> we have a way for members to get the file, or files to the management > >>>> team > >>>> so that we can make them readily available to all list members. > >>>> The reason for this, is thatwhen a member posts to the list, that they > >>>> have > >>>> files to share, > >>>> this dramatically increases list traffic and band width. > >>>> In order to stream the process and make it more efficient, we will see > >>>> what > >>>> we can put in place > >>>> to facilitate this. > >>>> If we can make this happen, then there will be no need to post to the > >>>> list > >>>> asking people to send files privately. > >>>> If a member has a file that may benefit other users, and he or she > >>>> wants > >>>> to > >>>> send it to another > >>>> member privately, > >>>> then they need to take that transaction completely off-list. > >>>> This will greatly reduce the occurance of people flooding the list with > >>>> requests for private e-mail attachments. > >>>> How it works: > >>>> When a member has a file to share with the list membership, > >>>> they need only make it available to the management team. > >>>> At this point, the management team can put the file in an accessible > >>>> location, and then make the > >>>> membership aware of that location, > >>>> with only one post to the list. > >>>> Now, you can see that 1 message is posted, but the file is available to > >>>> all > >>>> members. > >>>> Instant reduction in redundent messages to the list. > >>>> 3. Just a reminder, that we all, management team included, need to try > >>>> and > >>>> keep our subject lines on > >>>> track. > >>>> If David has additional comments he will post them in a seperate post. > >>>> > >>>> Richard Justice-list moderator > >>>> David A. 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