Personally, if one developer burned me, I would not hold it against others.
Also, and this is not in reply to any one poster but to everyone, I don't
feel that people who weren't around when all of this happened should comment
without firsthand knowledge of what went on during the flying of the fur.
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lemm
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 4:19 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question
Hi,
I wasn't actually around when this thing with James North happened, and
though I don't think there is ever any reason for anyone to be nasty to
someone else as there is always a constructive way to go around things, . I
do think however, that if a developer has taken pre-payment for something
they are making a commitment to deliver a product, I do however also
understand that stuff happens and release dates can get pushed forward, but
from Sean's email it sounds like the release date was 5 years overdue, and I
think that is unacceptable especially if that developer has taken payment
from people in advance as that is a commitment from the developer between
two people to deliver a service or product. Even worse than this it sounds
like the guy wasn't even keeping people updated on progress and was just
plain ignoring his paying customers , who just wanted the product they paid
for. Again I don't condone people being nasty to Dev's, but I think if a
game that has been pre-paid for is 5 years overdue with no updates on
progress then I'm afraid as a developer you need to understand that you
will most definitely end up with very angry customers. I completely agree
with Justins point too, in that if the guy has gone off to program for the
sighted community that they would be a lot less forgiving than people from
the audio games community as on the whole the biggest proportion of people
from the audio games community would actually put up with a 5 year delay on
a game and still support the guy too, as we're here for good audio game
titles, whereas I'm sure there would be an uproar in the sighted community
if a developer took money for a game and was 5 years late on delivering
that game and with no updates . even more so that the developer decided to
then give up on the project, not release the game but still keep everyone's
money, since I'm pretty sure that’s illegal, and is also detrimental to
other audio game developers since it creates distrust between the end users
and the developers.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Shaun Everiss
Sent: 30 December 2017 21:00
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question
<sigh>
Have everyone forgotthe disaster which james north became?
Now james north was a nice guy that decided after esp softworks had sold a
lot of arcade games that he wanted a change and sold the company to what
eventually became draconis.
He should never had done that, up till then he was doing fine but wanted
more.
So he created some new games under his company, he set a preorder for
everything, and a few people payed for his stuff.
We waited and waited, and waited, the games past the release date.
We asked him and asked him off and on and wandered at it.
For 5 years the community waited, finaly those that had preordered started
to wander if they would ever get their games, some going as far as to ask
their banks for refunds.
Sure there were probably some whiners but probably far less than there are
now.
Between those times he never told us what was going on or what was really
going on.
Maybe someones or a group of them became totally bad and assholish at him,
but to the outsider player that was hanging on he suddenly decided to flip
for no reason, burn out and rage quit the scene.
Maybe something was going on, maybe people were nasty at him, but it had to
be more than that, no news, nothing for ages.
True a lot of devs do this but to be honest, from then on no one releases
stuff unless they are sure it will be out on that day.
Users especially those that preorder games want their games.
Thomas ward tried, he died!, no one will ever get their games now.
I don't know if I would really want to be james north and come back.
There are people that would really like to flame him out for those games we
have never even gotten.
He owes the community big.
He never informed us, I guess if he is more open and lets us know what is
going on, then maybe.
He lost all the trust though, I my self was never nasty with him, I asked
him once about stuff and he just flipped.
We are better without him now.
If he comes back, maybe we will be nice, maybe not.
There are at least 4-5 unreleased games and some of them have been ordered
by several players, with no refunds or anything.
Thats how I understand that history.
On 31/12/2017 5:02 a.m., Charles Rivard wrote:
He made it very clear that he would not be producing games for impatient
and nasty customers anymore. If you have contact info for him, contact
him to see if he would give it another try. In short, though, lotsa luck.
Some, but not all, blind and visually impaired gamers were far too
hostile.
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
From: Lisa Hayes
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 3:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question
josh any idea how to do this? I'd love it.
From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 3:01 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question
If James North was driven away, then why don't we simply just get him to
come back?
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On December 29, 2017 22:39:49 "Lisa Hayes" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Yes He was driven away and those involved have deprived us of a good
game writer who would have continued to provide games like monkey business
and the two pinball games.
From: Michael
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 11:38 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question
I couldn’t agree more, that I wish James North was never driven
away from the blind gamer community. Though that sounds harsh, sadly
that’s pretty much what happened. ☹
I’ve paid my bit for a hero’s call, and I’m waiting for a link now.
I’m puzzled why this release was chozen to happen right in the middle
of a holiday week like this. Lol
Michael
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From: Lisa Hayes
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 6:31 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question
Charles i agree with you here, we have pinball and others that James
did that can be played and never loose their interest value.
From: Charles Rivard
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 8:43 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question
I would not gripe, if at all, until the day after an expected release.
However, I won’t complain about this one even tomorrow, as we are in a
busy Holiday season, and even developers have home lives. How many good
developers of good games have we lost due to customer impatience? As an
example, I do wish that James North were still working on games for blind
gamers. When they came out, they were of high quality and they were
unique.
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
From: Jesse Bollinger
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 3:19 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question
I think the problem is most people expect the games to be released like
in the cited world. Where you hit midnight and the game is ready to go.
This isn’t the right outlook to have, however I feel like that is what
most expect. I think most people think when you give a date that means
everything is good to go and will be released promptly at midnight. No one
has patients.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 29, 2017, at 4:09 PM, kev lyon <[email protected]> wrote:
because people never ever! learn! the gaming community for the blind
has lost so many developers over the years because people can't shut up
and just let the developers get on with what they do!
as soon as a date is mentioned, the vast majority engrave it in
stone! and then start wingeing when the game isn't availabel at 1 minute
past midnight on that date!
*goes back to playing alter eon and will play this new game when
it arrives*
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Charles Rivard
Sent: 29 December 2017 19:02
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question
Why are people so dad blamed impatient?
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
From: Bryan Peterson
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 12:12 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question
We’re just going to have to be patient. Joseph did say it would be
somewhat later in the day, though he wasn’t specific about exactly when.
He wants the entire development team to be able to be present so it’ll
depend on when that’ll happen.
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From: Greg Wocher
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 9:06 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question
Hello all,
Has anyone heard when this will be out today? I supported the
kickstarter but I still have not heard anything about downloading the game
today.
Regards,
Greg Wocher
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