I actually disagree.
The sighted world is opening up and education is the way.
Yes the blind etc should have more involvement.
But do we really want to go down the blindy way of access.
Ie this program needs jaws to work and will cost a lot of cash.
q9 is in leasy, leasy costs cash.
Blindness software costs a lot of cash.
You really want our own stuff for our own stuff?
True its accessible to us but thats it.
True some don't write all that well but working as a web system and
software tester, using what is already existing is the big thing.
Labeled images, things which are so fancy they just don't read, etc.
The web platform is the future.
Back in the day I used spaciffic blindness software.
And while I could access things while everyone brought new hardware mine
had to work with the software for access on a speech synth which if it
didn't work wouldn't work.
Mainstreaming may have dropped access a little but its also got us using
mainstreamed tech.
And in the age of ai, voice recognition, and some screen access the
world is ready for us.
There will come a point when blindness will be a thing of the past.
And when that happens, all the blindy developers and blind software
makers and blindy everyone and all the helpless blindy blind persons
will be out of a job.
What I am saying is there will be a point where integration will be the
future.
And I'd rather do it now painfull that it may be right at this moment
than later.
Another example.
My now dead grandpa used paper, had issues understanding security and
the net.
Got into the waggon to late.
Then all the analog lines dropped.
Same with my aunt.
By then in my grandpa's case it was to complex.
A lot of the old are left high and dry because the world has moved on.
I don't think the disabled should be left like that if there is an
opertunity to move.
Saying all that I do agree with you that the blind and general disabled
community are under utilised by the mainstream community and thats going
to need to change if we are to move forward.
On 22/01/2023 7:59 am, Jude DaShiell wrote:
We need more blind developers replacing those sighted developers or we'll
never get accessible useable and functional software everyone can use.
Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
.
On Sat, 21 Jan 2023, Travis Siegel wrote:
Nah, it's easy to make an accessible java program. Making it not accessible
actually takes work believe it or not.
Unfortunately, most folks don't like the default output routines java gives
us, so instead of using those, they'll draw things on the screen instead of
using the provided text output routines java has built in. And, even better,
(for visually impaired developers), java has a grid mode, where it will place
GUI elements on the screen in a logical left to right top to bottom layout for
you, so you never have to worry about your screen designs being visible, and
you don't have to fight with screen layout at all. Unfortunately, java also
offers other layout modes/methods, and often times sighted developers think
nothing of making their app look unique, so they fiddle with various aspects
of the output modes, making them less than usable for screen reader users.
Apple developers do the same thing, if folks using the apple development tools
use the apple provided screen layout elements, the app is 100 percent
accessible. But, as always, folks want their app to look different, or they
want to do something different, and so they don't use the provided default
elements, and poof, instant app that isn't accessible.
These days, it's trivially easy to make accessible applications, only sighted
developers don't like boring, so they try to snazz things up by changing
various aspects of the design, and thereby screw up the built in accessibility
in the process.
On 1/21/2023 10:40 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
Mudschool in coffeemud shows you when you get to the correct room about
its config options. For some reason coffeemud throws ansi and that messes
up screen displays. Prompts usually hang out near the bottom of the
screen if you set lines and columns correctly too. That way those can
either be avoided or turned off by setting a window on the screen reader
that doesn't include those prompt lines and using that window for
operations. Remember coffeemud like many other bad things on the internet
was written in java so won't be as easily maintainable as earlier
languages with deeper internet documentation. It's interesting to me that
coffeemud having been written in java works as well as it does.
Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
.
On Sat, 21 Jan 2023, Lindsay Cowell wrote:
I also tried coffee mud, but I find it very confusing. As you can?t turn
the prompts off and it is very confusing and there are no screen reader
settings that I can find.
On 20 Jan 2023, at 11:34 pm, Travis Siegel <tsie...@nfbcal.org>
wrote:
The two I play the most are 3k.org 3000, and their sister mud
3scapes.3k.org 3000, and of course alter aeon, which you probably
already have (alteraeon.com 3000)
Both of those muds have screen reader settings to make the mud
easier to use.
Drop me a line if you loginto 3k or 3scapes, and I'll be happy to
assist where I can.
On 1/20/2023 5:23 PM, Lindsay Cowell wrote:
Hi guys
Can anyone recommend any good muds?
Lindsay Cowell.
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Jude DaShiell
Sent: 20 January 2023 19:47
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] coffeemud
Bad experience in that mud.
For anyone intent on playing coffeemud I leave you with two tips.
First when going through mudschool, do not accept the quest you will be
offered. Reason for that is dealer in land is impossible to find so the
quest cannot be completed.
Second, when you create a character for coffeemud create several since the
kill rate in that game is high at low levels and level 6 and below is a
low level.
This way as you retire failed characters, you can play another you created
earlier. Yes this will mean lots of time in mudschool and a highly boring
experience for a long time but eventually you'll have all of the
characters you created graduate.
Another advantage of not taking the mudschool quest is you don't have to
start out in asGaard and can have your choice of any of the cities as each
character leaves mudschool
There's a dungeon in the center of the mudschool arena so if you can kill
everything in that dungeon and loot the bodies you'll have a little more
money when you graduate. Money is hard to come by though you can bank it.
Avoid a short man with a clipboard since that's the tax collector. The
tax collector floats around to different locations in the game too.
All my characters got killed and retired in coffeemud so I'll not be
playing that one for quite a while since it wasn't the best experience
with a mud I've had. At least with nethack it doesn't take so long to
build a character before it gets killed not the case with coffeemud.
Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
.
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