You have to have a higher quality card than intel to do it but multi-channel architecture cards have been on the market for as long as computers have been being used by professionals for sound editing and production.
Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) . On Sun, 22 Jan 2023, Shaun Everiss wrote: > Hmmm. > > That doesn't matter though screenreaders bar talking dosbox if you have 1 need > a hardware synth. > > You can't play sound out of the same card as well whatever. > > I did try freedos back in the day and almost immediately switched back to > msdos 6. > > Actually msdos does have a version online but I forget. > > There is no firefox for dos for example. > > I'd really like to return to dos but natively, naa. > > And anyway I don't have a unit I could use it on. > > Then yeah vmware. > > I have had issues with vmware and its stupid keyboard enhancement drivers. > > vmware installs always slowed things down and I couldn't give a damn about its > accessibility. > > Before covid I was going to doodle with virtualbox but now I'm no longer > interested. > > Anyway I don't have the space for this and that and I use most of it here on > my duel drive workstation. > > I have 1 unit that runs win7 I could probably use but don't know. > > > On 22/01/2023 1:07 pm, Travis Siegel wrote: > > You'd be surprised what you can do with dos these days. There are usb > > drivers for dos, and there's even a version of dos that is still being > > developed, it's called freedos. > > > > It is generally a single tasking system, but there are programs to solve > > that problem if it's really needed. > > > > There's also plenty of ways to get online (without a modem), even using > > dos. Just that it's not the mainstream os, and there are lots of > > limitations, even with hardware, since dos won't work with eufi bios > > machines, and since almost every modern day machine has that, it's not the > > easiest thing to get a copy of dos up and running, but for particular nich > > operations, dos still has it's place. > > > > > > On 1/21/2023 2:34 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote: > >> Java is a web based system used by android, linux, and sunos. > >> > >> Dos? > >> > >> I quit dos because its single task nature. > >> > >> Pluss dos can't do usb anything. > >> > >> Dos can also not do the advanced networks we have. > >> > >> No one uses modems anymore really. > >> > >> > >> On 22/01/2023 8:00 am, Jude DaShiell wrote: > >>> Too bad java never got dos-compatible, if it had maybe lynx would be > >>> running on java by now. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in > >>> defense of liberty: > >>> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > >>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) > >>> > >>> . > >>> > >>> On Sat, 21 Jan 2023, Travis Siegel wrote: > >>> > >>>> Nah, it's easy to make an accessible java program. Making it not > >>>> accessible > >>>> actually takes work believe it or not. > >>>> > >>>> Unfortunately, most folks don't like the default output routines java > >>>> gives > >>>> us, so instead of using those, they'll draw things on the screen instead > >>>> of > >>>> using the provided text output routines java has built in. And, even > >>>> better, > >>>> (for visually impaired developers), java has a grid mode, where it will > >>>> place > >>>> GUI elements on the screen in a logical left to right top to bottom > >>>> layout for > >>>> you, so you never have to worry about your screen designs being visible, > >>>> and > >>>> you don't have to fight with screen layout at all. Unfortunately, java > >>>> also > >>>> offers other layout modes/methods, and often times sighted developers > >>>> think > >>>> nothing of making their app look unique, so they fiddle with various > >>>> aspects > >>>> of the output modes, making them less than usable for screen reader > >>>> users. > >>>> > >>>> Apple developers do the same thing, if folks using the apple development > >>>> tools > >>>> use the apple provided screen layout elements, the app is 100 percent > >>>> accessible. But, as always, folks want their app to look different, or > >>>> they > >>>> want to do something different, and so they don't use the provided > >>>> default > >>>> elements, and poof, instant app that isn't accessible. > >>>> > >>>> These days, it's trivially easy to make accessible applications, only > >>>> sighted > >>>> developers don't like boring, so they try to snazz things up by changing > >>>> various aspects of the design, and thereby screw up the built in > >>>> accessibility > >>>> in the process. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 1/21/2023 10:40 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote: > >>>>> Mudschool in coffeemud shows you when you get to the correct room about > >>>>> its config options. For some reason coffeemud throws ansi and that > >>>>> messes > >>>>> up screen displays. Prompts usually hang out near the bottom of the > >>>>> screen if you set lines and columns correctly too. That way those can > >>>>> either be avoided or turned off by setting a window on the screen reader > >>>>> that doesn't include those prompt lines and using that window for > >>>>> operations. Remember coffeemud like many other bad things on the > >>>>> internet > >>>>> was written in java so won't be as easily maintainable as earlier > >>>>> languages with deeper internet documentation. It's interesting to me > >>>>> that > >>>>> coffeemud having been written in java works as well as it does. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in > >>>>> defense of liberty: > >>>>> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > >>>>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) > >>>>> > >>>>> . > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sat, 21 Jan 2023, Lindsay Cowell wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> I also tried coffee mud, but I find it very confusing. As you can?t > >>>>>> turn > >>>>>> the prompts off and it is very confusing and there are no screen reader > >>>>>> settings that I can find. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 20 Jan 2023, at 11:34 pm, Travis Siegel <[email protected]> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The two I play the most are 3k.org 3000, and their sister mud > >>>>>> 3scapes.3k.org 3000, and of course alter aeon, which you > >>>>>> probably > >>>>>> already have (alteraeon.com 3000) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Both of those muds have screen reader settings to make the mud > >>>>>> easier to use. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Drop me a line if you loginto 3k or 3scapes, and I'll be happy > >>>>>> to > >>>>>> assist where I can. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 1/20/2023 5:23 PM, Lindsay Cowell wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hi guys > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Can anyone recommend any good muds? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Lindsay Cowell. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> From: Jude DaShiell > >>>>>> Sent: 20 January 2023 19:47 > >>>>>> To: [email protected] > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] coffeemud > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Bad experience in that mud. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> For anyone intent on playing coffeemud I leave you with two tips. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> First when going through mudschool, do not accept the quest you will be > >>>>>> > >>>>>> offered. Reason for that is dealer in land is impossible to find so > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> > >>>>>> quest cannot be completed. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Second, when you create a character for coffeemud create several since > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> > >>>>>> kill rate in that game is high at low levels and level 6 and below is a > >>>>>> > >>>>>> low level. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> This way as you retire failed characters, you can play another you > >>>>>> created > >>>>>> > >>>>>> earlier. Yes this will mean lots of time in mudschool and a highly > >>>>>> boring > >>>>>> > >>>>>> experience for a long time but eventually you'll have all of the > >>>>>> > >>>>>> characters you created graduate. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Another advantage of not taking the mudschool quest is you don't have > >>>>>> to > >>>>>> > >>>>>> start out in asGaard and can have your choice of any of the cities as > >>>>>> each > >>>>>> > >>>>>> character leaves mudschool > >>>>>> > >>>>>> There's a dungeon in the center of the mudschool arena so if you can > >>>>>> kill > >>>>>> > >>>>>> everything in that dungeon and loot the bodies you'll have a little > >>>>>> more > >>>>>> > >>>>>> money when you graduate. Money is hard to come by though you can bank > >>>>>> it. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Avoid a short man with a clipboard since that's the tax collector. The > >>>>>> > >>>>>> tax collector floats around to different locations in the game too. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> All my characters got killed and retired in coffeemud so I'll not be > >>>>>> > >>>>>> playing that one for quite a while since it wasn't the best experience > >>>>>> > >>>>>> with a mud I've had. At least with nethack it doesn't take so long to > >>>>>> > >>>>>> build a character before it gets killed not the case with coffeemud. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in > >>>>>> > >>>>>> defense of liberty: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> . > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#125774): https://groups.io/g/blind-gamers/message/125774 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/96411812/21656 Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/blind-gamers/leave/607459/21656/1071380848/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
