Hmmm.
That doesn't matter though screenreaders bar talking dosbox if you have
1 need a hardware synth.
You can't play sound out of the same card as well whatever.
I did try freedos back in the day and almost immediately switched back
to msdos 6.
Actually msdos does have a version online but I forget.
There is no firefox for dos for example.
I'd really like to return to dos but natively, naa.
And anyway I don't have a unit I could use it on.
Then yeah vmware.
I have had issues with vmware and its stupid keyboard enhancement drivers.
vmware installs always slowed things down and I couldn't give a damn
about its accessibility.
Before covid I was going to doodle with virtualbox but now I'm no longer
interested.
Anyway I don't have the space for this and that and I use most of it
here on my duel drive workstation.
I have 1 unit that runs win7 I could probably use but don't know.
On 22/01/2023 1:07 pm, Travis Siegel wrote:
You'd be surprised what you can do with dos these days. There are usb
drivers for dos, and there's even a version of dos that is still being
developed, it's called freedos.
It is generally a single tasking system, but there are programs to
solve that problem if it's really needed.
There's also plenty of ways to get online (without a modem), even
using dos. Just that it's not the mainstream os, and there are lots
of limitations, even with hardware, since dos won't work with eufi
bios machines, and since almost every modern day machine has that,
it's not the easiest thing to get a copy of dos up and running, but
for particular nich operations, dos still has it's place.
On 1/21/2023 2:34 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Java is a web based system used by android, linux, and sunos.
Dos?
I quit dos because its single task nature.
Pluss dos can't do usb anything.
Dos can also not do the advanced networks we have.
No one uses modems anymore really.
On 22/01/2023 8:00 am, Jude DaShiell wrote:
Too bad java never got dos-compatible, if it had maybe lynx would be
running on java by now.
Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
.
On Sat, 21 Jan 2023, Travis Siegel wrote:
Nah, it's easy to make an accessible java program. Making it not
accessible
actually takes work believe it or not.
Unfortunately, most folks don't like the default output routines
java gives
us, so instead of using those, they'll draw things on the screen
instead of
using the provided text output routines java has built in. And,
even better,
(for visually impaired developers), java has a grid mode, where it
will place
GUI elements on the screen in a logical left to right top to bottom
layout for
you, so you never have to worry about your screen designs being
visible, and
you don't have to fight with screen layout at all. Unfortunately,
java also
offers other layout modes/methods, and often times sighted
developers think
nothing of making their app look unique, so they fiddle with
various aspects
of the output modes, making them less than usable for screen reader
users.
Apple developers do the same thing, if folks using the apple
development tools
use the apple provided screen layout elements, the app is 100 percent
accessible. But, as always, folks want their app to look
different, or they
want to do something different, and so they don't use the provided
default
elements, and poof, instant app that isn't accessible.
These days, it's trivially easy to make accessible applications,
only sighted
developers don't like boring, so they try to snazz things up by
changing
various aspects of the design, and thereby screw up the built in
accessibility
in the process.
On 1/21/2023 10:40 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
Mudschool in coffeemud shows you when you get to the correct room
about
its config options. For some reason coffeemud throws ansi and
that messes
up screen displays. Prompts usually hang out near the bottom of the
screen if you set lines and columns correctly too. That way those
can
either be avoided or turned off by setting a window on the screen
reader
that doesn't include those prompt lines and using that window for
operations. Remember coffeemud like many other bad things on the
internet
was written in java so won't be as easily maintainable as earlier
languages with deeper internet documentation. It's interesting to
me that
coffeemud having been written in java works as well as it does.
Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
.
On Sat, 21 Jan 2023, Lindsay Cowell wrote:
I also tried coffee mud, but I find it very confusing. As you
can?t turn
the prompts off and it is very confusing and there are no screen
reader
settings that I can find.
On 20 Jan 2023, at 11:34 pm, Travis Siegel
<tsie...@nfbcal.org>
wrote:
The two I play the most are 3k.org 3000, and their
sister mud
3scapes.3k.org 3000, and of course alter aeon, which you
probably
already have (alteraeon.com 3000)
Both of those muds have screen reader settings to make
the mud
easier to use.
Drop me a line if you loginto 3k or 3scapes, and I'll be
happy to
assist where I can.
On 1/20/2023 5:23 PM, Lindsay Cowell wrote:
Hi guys
Can anyone recommend any good muds?
Lindsay Cowell.
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Jude DaShiell
Sent: 20 January 2023 19:47
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] coffeemud
Bad experience in that mud.
For anyone intent on playing coffeemud I leave you with two tips.
First when going through mudschool, do not accept the quest you
will be
offered. Reason for that is dealer in land is impossible to find
so the
quest cannot be completed.
Second, when you create a character for coffeemud create several
since the
kill rate in that game is high at low levels and level 6 and
below is a
low level.
This way as you retire failed characters, you can play another
you created
earlier. Yes this will mean lots of time in mudschool and a
highly boring
experience for a long time but eventually you'll have all of the
characters you created graduate.
Another advantage of not taking the mudschool quest is you don't
have to
start out in asGaard and can have your choice of any of the
cities as each
character leaves mudschool
There's a dungeon in the center of the mudschool arena so if you
can kill
everything in that dungeon and loot the bodies you'll have a
little more
money when you graduate. Money is hard to come by though you can
bank it.
Avoid a short man with a clipboard since that's the tax
collector. The
tax collector floats around to different locations in the game too.
All my characters got killed and retired in coffeemud so I'll not be
playing that one for quite a while since it wasn't the best
experience
with a mud I've had. At least with nethack it doesn't take so
long to
build a character before it gets killed not the case with coffeemud.
Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
.
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