Too bad java never got dos-compatible, if it had maybe lynx would be running on java by now.
Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) . On Sat, 21 Jan 2023, Travis Siegel wrote: > Nah, it's easy to make an accessible java program. Making it not accessible > actually takes work believe it or not. > > Unfortunately, most folks don't like the default output routines java gives > us, so instead of using those, they'll draw things on the screen instead of > using the provided text output routines java has built in. And, even better, > (for visually impaired developers), java has a grid mode, where it will place > GUI elements on the screen in a logical left to right top to bottom layout for > you, so you never have to worry about your screen designs being visible, and > you don't have to fight with screen layout at all. Unfortunately, java also > offers other layout modes/methods, and often times sighted developers think > nothing of making their app look unique, so they fiddle with various aspects > of the output modes, making them less than usable for screen reader users. > > Apple developers do the same thing, if folks using the apple development tools > use the apple provided screen layout elements, the app is 100 percent > accessible. But, as always, folks want their app to look different, or they > want to do something different, and so they don't use the provided default > elements, and poof, instant app that isn't accessible. > > These days, it's trivially easy to make accessible applications, only sighted > developers don't like boring, so they try to snazz things up by changing > various aspects of the design, and thereby screw up the built in accessibility > in the process. > > > On 1/21/2023 10:40 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > Mudschool in coffeemud shows you when you get to the correct room about > > its config options. For some reason coffeemud throws ansi and that messes > > up screen displays. Prompts usually hang out near the bottom of the > > screen if you set lines and columns correctly too. That way those can > > either be avoided or turned off by setting a window on the screen reader > > that doesn't include those prompt lines and using that window for > > operations. Remember coffeemud like many other bad things on the internet > > was written in java so won't be as easily maintainable as earlier > > languages with deeper internet documentation. It's interesting to me that > > coffeemud having been written in java works as well as it does. > > > > > > > > Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in > > defense of liberty: > > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) > > > > . > > > > On Sat, 21 Jan 2023, Lindsay Cowell wrote: > > > >> I also tried coffee mud, but I find it very confusing. As you can?t turn > >> the prompts off and it is very confusing and there are no screen reader > >> settings that I can find. > >> > >> > >> On 20 Jan 2023, at 11:34 pm, Travis Siegel <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> The two I play the most are 3k.org 3000, and their sister mud > >> 3scapes.3k.org 3000, and of course alter aeon, which you probably > >> already have (alteraeon.com 3000) > >> > >> Both of those muds have screen reader settings to make the mud > >> easier to use. > >> > >> Drop me a line if you loginto 3k or 3scapes, and I'll be happy to > >> assist where I can. > >> > >> > >> On 1/20/2023 5:23 PM, Lindsay Cowell wrote: > >> > >> Hi guys > >> > >> > >> > >> Can anyone recommend any good muds? > >> > >> > >> > >> Lindsay Cowell. > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from Mail for Windows > >> > >> > >> > >> From: Jude DaShiell > >> Sent: 20 January 2023 19:47 > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] coffeemud > >> > >> > >> > >> Bad experience in that mud. > >> > >> For anyone intent on playing coffeemud I leave you with two tips. > >> > >> First when going through mudschool, do not accept the quest you will be > >> > >> offered. Reason for that is dealer in land is impossible to find so the > >> > >> quest cannot be completed. > >> > >> Second, when you create a character for coffeemud create several since the > >> > >> kill rate in that game is high at low levels and level 6 and below is a > >> > >> low level. > >> > >> This way as you retire failed characters, you can play another you created > >> > >> earlier. Yes this will mean lots of time in mudschool and a highly boring > >> > >> experience for a long time but eventually you'll have all of the > >> > >> characters you created graduate. > >> > >> Another advantage of not taking the mudschool quest is you don't have to > >> > >> start out in asGaard and can have your choice of any of the cities as each > >> > >> character leaves mudschool > >> > >> There's a dungeon in the center of the mudschool arena so if you can kill > >> > >> everything in that dungeon and loot the bodies you'll have a little more > >> > >> money when you graduate. Money is hard to come by though you can bank it. > >> > >> Avoid a short man with a clipboard since that's the tax collector. The > >> > >> tax collector floats around to different locations in the game too. > >> > >> All my characters got killed and retired in coffeemud so I'll not be > >> > >> playing that one for quite a while since it wasn't the best experience > >> > >> with a mud I've had. At least with nethack it doesn't take so long to > >> > >> build a character before it gets killed not the case with coffeemud. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in > >> > >> defense of liberty: > >> > >> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > >> > >> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) > >> > >> > >> > >> . > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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