I have never used steem how ever I have herd it. I have used twitch and have baught games from that sight audio games I meen like the vaile and others. How ever like you said trying to do a google serch and hopeing to find out how to use steem with jaws etc makes it hard. From Mich.
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood Sent: November 10, 2023 1:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] games that are on xbox and pc can people please give links? Hi, I also feel like the methods in which to access Steam and the various other gaming services are kind of hidden. It’s not like you can just google how to use steam with NVDA and expect to get an up to date resource – I just did it now and got a reddit thread with my first result that was well over 2 years old. While the basic info may apply, things have since changed, and this isn’t as cut and dry for a lot of people who are not used to downloading and playing mainstream games. I do think that attempting a search of some kind and then asking for help is not laziness. It’s simply asking for clarification on a subject that is unique to a very small subset of people. That should be what this mailing list is for – with the express intent on archiving and preserving the information given to help others. Point them directly to a thread discussing something on the mailing list – threads are, after all, well sorted and archived. This list is not high traffic enough to make it impossible to find something and if people started using hashtags to make sure people found what they needed it would be even more helpful. We do have the audiogames forum, which I have used. The amount of thread scrolling I had to do just to find a tidbit of info was, at some points, incredibly frustrating. And again, if you do a search on there, you’re finding needles in haystacks almost constantly. Not calling anyone out, it’s just the reality we have to live in and I applaud those involved in the audiogames.net team for what they do and the resources they have given us. It’s simply a lot more difficult to find an up to date topic on things like this because things change each month. Though steam, for example, stayed relatively the same for quite some time until recent changes happened, no longer are you required to edit the desktop shortcut, for instance, but nobody would realize that if they followed a 1, 2, or 5 year old thread. Just my .02 on this. Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows From: Mich Verrier <mailto:[email protected]> Sent: November 10, 2023 8:52 AM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] games that are on xbox and pc can people please give links? Yes I agree since the message was derected at me I also agree it was offensive what does me not working and living on disibillidey have to do with what I was asking for? And I agree it is not spoon feeding but it is auvis that my message sparked a nerve but in a good way in the way that like others have said they have been asking for such a list to be created and updated and have gotten chrickits singingin when they have brought it up on this list. I feel that it would be good to have such a resource since it wouldhelp not only those who like me are trying to get into the gaming market but it would like you say narrow down the results. And for the record I did google forza motor sport pc and came up woith a bunch of results and nun of them were the pc game or at the verry least the download link for said game. From Mich Verrier from New Liskeard Ontario Canada. From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: November 10, 2023 9:48 AM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] games that are on xbox and pc can people please give links? Marta’s message was, in my opinion, offensive. Employment status has nothing to do with it. We’re not asking for a huge and complete list of links. It might be a bit overwhelming to some people when they find 6,875 results, most of which aren’t what you’re looking for. Also, answering a question with the results asked for is not spoon feeding. It is directly helping. Merely telling someone to Google it is the lazy way. If you’re too busy to provide a link, skip it rather than sending an insult. If you’re too buty to answer, you’re too busy. Manage your time better. When you think you’re finished, You! Are! Finished! From: Tyler Wood <mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2023 1:29 AM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] games that are on xbox and pc can people please give links? Ironic - a message containing 2 words that does absolutely nothing to help anyone in this thread or anyone reading it, but yet we’re complaining about cluttering up the list asking for links. I agree that research could be done. Far too many people just want the direct link to something. I feel like internet searches should be the basic thing people learn when they browse the internet so they can answer their own question. On the other side of that, people here are probably used to obscure websites and don’t realize that this is not the same as an audio game. You don’t have to know the exact link. Still, though, really, I think doing a quick search before asking this question would net you the result you seek. On the other side of that coin, I don’t think pointing fingers at someone’s employment status or lack thereof was at all necessary or respectful in any way as it applies to doing a search, laziness, or any of that nonsense. The fact that it was a long drawn out message complaining about how you work when grabbing the link would have taken less time, lol. The irony is real on both sides here and I hope I’m not the only one who sees this for what it is. Yes, use your search engine of choice. If asked for the link, a polite hey, do an internet (google, duckduckgo, privacy centric as it may or may not be, search. It’ll show up is all that’s needed. My first, last, and only message on this subject. TLDR – we are all humans behind keyboards and all have difficult days sometimes. No worries, let the games guide you and enjoy them for what they are. From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Sent: November 9, 2023 11:08 PM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] games that are on xbox and pc can people please give links? Agree completely! Haylie From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Marda Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2023 11:16 PM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] games that are on xbox and pc can people please give links? Yes it is nice when someone is thoughtful enough to provide a link. However, a lot of people don't have time to compile a comprehensive resource list of links. Also, some of them, like me, haven't put links into email enough to be comfortable doing it so I might say something like, "Yes I know this is a PC game that it is available. Put the title of the game into your search engine of choice. Personally I don't like google so I use another search engine (actually a couple) more often than google for a lot of reasons. Some of us are working and/or on a lot of lists and we don't have time to do all yoru research for you. Some of you, Mitch for instance, I know you're not employed so you're home and would have more time to do research on uyour own. When we give ideas of what to type in in order to help someone research we are encouraging that person to become more independent rather than expecting others to simply hand them information and spoon feed it to them. Sure, if you're friends with someone and want to provide a link, no problem. But if someone gives you some information,like the mame of a game or the fact that they found it on google, then you're perfectly able to learn to look it up yourself especially if you have time. Expecting someone to do it for you when you have time to do it yourself is lazy and unfair to other people and certainly not showing independenc eor initiative. It is showing entitlement, expecting people to do all the work for you. It's one thing if someone is new to tech or newly blind or is extremely busy or whatever but the point is a lot of blind people just don't bother to learn to research for themselves and there's no reason why they can't. The purpose of the lists is yes to share information but it's not just to expect people to always hand you all the info without trying to get it yourself as well. Marda On 11/9/2023 8:13 PM, goshawk on horseback wrote: I also 100% agree, as am so sick of always hearing, "google this", "google that", and "google the other" all the time. Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: Mich Verrier <mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2023 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] games that are on xbox and pc can people please give links? Yes that is why I made this post in hopes that people would pervade links to these things instead of like you said just telling them to ook them up on google. So I agree with that. from Mich. From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: November 9, 2023 10:29 AM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] games that are on xbox and pc can people please give links? My personal opinion is that if someone asks, specifically, for links, and you know them, you should provide them, rather than merely suggest that the person look them up on Google. That would be far more helpful, which is the purpose of the list. After all, there are times when it is still difficult to quickly and easily find something through a Google search. When you think you’re finished, You! Are! Finished! From: Gene Warner <mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2023 7:19 AM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] games that are on xbox and pc can people please give links? Have you tried searching on Google for something like "forza motor sport pc game"? That's what I always do and it usually finds what I'm looking for unless the game isn't on the PC. Gene... On 11/9/2023 7:47 AM, Mich Verrier wrote: > Hi all I have seen people talking about games that are on xbox as well > as the same games on pc. but they don’t give the places where to get > these games? Just now I saw some one replying to a question about where > to get the forza motor sport game for the pc. I think and I am Shure > others would agree it would be helpful for some one to compile a list of > resources for games that are on xbox as well as the same games on pc. > just saying things like yep it is on pc when some one asking about these > games is not that helpful. It would be nice to have a list. From Mich > Verrier from New Liskeard Ontario Canada. > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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