Who are the rats?  (ornery grin)

When you think you’re finished, You! Are! Finished!

From: Peter Donahue
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2023 12:39 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] games that are on xbox and pc can people please 
give links?

Hello Matt and everyone,

                This is another example of what I call the referral rat race.

Peter Donahue



From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Matthew Chao 
via groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2023 8:53 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] games that are on xbox and pc can people please 
give links?

Hi, Charles.  Totally agree.  How many times have we followed multiple Google 
links, only to find that they weren't what we were looking for.  Frankly, 
that's truly a waste of time.--Matthew Chao


On 11/10/2023 9:47 AM, Charles Rivard wrote:
Marta’s message was, in my opinion, offensive.  Employment status has nothing 
to do with it.  We’re not asking for a huge and complete list of links.  It 
might be a bit overwhelming to some people when they find 6,875 results, most 
of which aren’t what you’re looking for.  Also, answering a question with the 
results asked for is not spoon feeding.  It is directly helping.  Merely 
telling someone to Google it is the lazy way.  If you’re too busy to provide a 
link, skip it rather than sending an insult.  If you’re too buty to answer, 
you’re too busy.  Manage your time better.
 
When you think you’re finished, You! Are! Finished!
 
From: Tyler Wood
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2023 1:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] games that are on xbox and pc can people please 
give links?
 
Ironic - a message containing 2 words that does absolutely nothing to help 
anyone in this thread or anyone reading it, but yet we’re complaining about 
cluttering up the list asking for links.
I agree that research could be done. Far too many people just want the direct 
link to something. I feel like internet searches should be the basic thing 
people learn when they browse the internet  so they can answer their own 
question. On the other side of that, people here are probably used to obscure 
websites and don’t realize that this is not the same as an audio game. You 
don’t have to know the exact link. Still, though, really, I think doing a quick 
search before asking this question would net you the result you seek.
 
On the other side of that coin, I don’t think pointing fingers at someone’s 
employment status or lack thereof was at all necessary or respectful in any way 
as it applies to doing a search, laziness, or any of that nonsense. The fact 
that it was a long drawn out message complaining about how you work when 
grabbing the link would have taken less time, lol. The irony is real on both 
sides here and I hope I’m not the only one who sees this for what it is.
 
Yes, use your search engine of choice. If asked for the link, a polite hey, do 
an  internet (google, duckduckgo, privacy centric as it may or may not be,  
search. It’ll show up is all that’s needed.
 
My first, last, and only message on this subject. TLDR – we are all humans 
behind keyboards and all have difficult days sometimes. No worries, let the 
games guide you and enjoy them for what they are.
From: [email protected]
Sent: November 9, 2023 11:08 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] games that are on xbox and pc can people please 
give links?
 
Agree completely!
Haylie
 
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Marda
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2023 11:16 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] games that are on xbox and pc can people please 
give links?
 
Yes it is nice when someone is thoughtful enough to provide a link.  However, a 
lot of people don't have time to compile a comprehensive resource list of 
links.  Also, some of them, like me, haven't put links into email enough to be 
comfortable doing it so I might say something like, "Yes I know this is a PC 
game that it is available.  Put the title of the game into your search engine 
of choice.  Personally I don't like google so I use another search engine 
(actually a couple) more often than google for a lot of reasons.  Some of us 
are working and/or on a lot of lists and we don't have time to do all yoru 
research for you.  Some of you, Mitch for instance, I know you're not employed 
so you're home and would have more time to do research on uyour own.  When we 
give ideas of what to type in in order to help someone research we are 
encouraging that person to become more independent rather than expecting others 
to simply hand them information and spoon feed it to them.  Sure, if you're 
friends with someone and want to provide a link, no problem.  But if someone 
gives you some information,like the mame of a game or the fact that they found 
it on google, then you're perfectly able to learn to look it up yourself 
especially if you have time.  Expecting someone to do it for you when you have 
time to do it yourself is lazy and unfair to other people and certainly not 
showing independenc eor initiative.  It is showing entitlement, expecting 
people to do all the work for you.  It's one thing if someone is new to tech or 
newly blind or is extremely busy or whatever but the point is a lot of blind 
people just don't bother to learn to research for themselves and there's no 
reason why they can't.  The purpose of the lists is yes to share information 
but it's not just to expect people to always hand you all the info without 
trying to get it yourself as well.
Marda
On 11/9/2023 8:13 PM, goshawk on horseback wrote:
 
I also 100% agree, as am so sick of always hearing, "google this", "google 
that", and "google the other" all the time. 
 
Simon 
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Mich Verrier 
To: [email protected] 
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2023 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] games that are on xbox and pc can people please 
give links?
 
Yes that is why I made this post in hopes that people would pervade links to 
these things instead of like you said just telling them to ook them up on 
google. So I agree with that. from Mich.
 
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Charles 
Rivard
Sent: November 9, 2023 10:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] games that are on xbox and pc can people please 
give links?
 
My personal opinion is that if someone asks, specifically, for links, and you 
know them, you should provide them, rather than merely suggest that the person 
look them up on Google.  That would be far more helpful, which is the purpose 
of the list.  After all, there are times when it is still difficult to quickly 
and easily find something through a Google search.
 
When you think you’re finished, You! Are! Finished!
 
From: Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2023 7:19 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] games that are on xbox and pc can people please 
give links?
 
Have you tried searching on Google for something like "forza motor sport 
pc game"? That's what I always do and it usually finds what I'm looking 
for unless the game isn't on the PC.
 
Gene...
 
 
On 11/9/2023 7:47 AM, Mich Verrier wrote:
> Hi all I have seen people talking about games that are on xbox as well 
> as the same games   on pc. but they don’t give the places where to get 
> these games? Just now I saw some one replying to a question about where 
> to get the forza motor sport game for the pc. I think and I am Shure 
> others would agree it would be helpful for some one to compile a list of 
> resources for games that are on xbox as well as the same games on  pc. 
> just saying things like yep it is on pc when some one asking about these 
> games is not that helpful. It would be nice to have a list. From Mich 
> Verrier from New Liskeard Ontario Canada.
> 
> 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 




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