I would suggest that we allow the what do you want information on be a thread for questions but the answers should have a different subject line, in line with the answer.
earlier, David Ferrin, wrote: >I agree, but some times I just don't want to sound like a broken record. >David Ferrin >----- Original Message ----- >From: Lenny McHugh >To: <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>[email protected] >Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 11:14 PM >Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] electric heat loss > >We need a subject change. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Max Robinson" <<mailto:max%40maxsmusicplace.com>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:02 PM >Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] What Do You Want Information ON? > >examples of electric resistance heating are an electric range, including the >oven, an electric furnace, as opposed to a heat pump, and anything else >that turns electricity into heat. It may be argued that not all of the heat >gets into the food because some is lost into the kitchen. True. It also >may be argued that an electric furnace has some loss of heat to the crawl >space and that is true. However, your figure of 35 percent is much too >low. If the ducts are well insulated a figure of 80 to 90 percent is much >closer to the truth. > >As a matter of fact, every last watt hour of electric energy that comes into >our homes is converted into heat. Believe it or not, I have run into >faculty members in engineering who did not really believe that. The old >engineering building was heated with resistance heat. This one guy kept >going around turning off lights in the hallways even in the winter. I could >not convince him that all of the energy that goes into lighting ultimately >goes into heating the building and the thermostat will cut back, ever so >slightly, on the main resistance heating. Lighting converts most of the >electrical energy into heat and a little into light. But even the light >gets converted into heat when it is absorbed by walls floors etc. The only >exception is a very small amount of visible light that escapes through the >windows. The power that goes into your stereo is mostly converted into >heat. A small amount is converted into sound energy but when that is >absorbed by the walls it is converted into heat. Only that small amount of >sound you can hear outside has escaped the walls of your house. Even the >escaping light and sound is ultimately converted into heat because that is >the end point of all other forms of energy. Remember, energy can not be >created or destroyed, it can only be converted from one kind to another. >Back me up Dan? > >Regards. > >Max. K 4 O D S. > >Email: <mailto:max%40maxsmusicplace.com>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Transistor site ><http://www.funwithtransistors.net>http://www.funwithtransistors.net >Vacuum tube site: <http://www.funwithtubes.net>http://www.funwithtubes.net >Music site: <http://www.maxsmusicplace.com>http://www.maxsmusicplace.com > >To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, ><mailto:funwithtubes-subscribe%40yahoogroups.com>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <<mailto:spiro%40netaxs.com>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 4:18 PM >Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] What Do You Want Information ON? > > > what are some forms of electric resistance heating? > > > > > > On Mon, 27 Aug 2007, Max Robinson wrote: > > > >> Electric resistance heating is 100 percent efficient. All of the > >> electric > >> energy is converted into heat. It's the only 100 percent efficient thing > >> we > >> have. > >> > >> Regards. > >> > >> Max. K 4 O D S. > >> > >> Email: <mailto:max%40maxsmusicplace.com>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> Transistor site > <http://www.funwithtransistors.net>http://www.funwithtransistors.net > >> Vacuum tube site: <http://www.funwithtubes.net>http://www.funwithtubes.net > >> Music site: <http://www.maxsmusicplace.com>http://www.maxsmusicplace.com > >> > >> To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, > >> > <mailto:funwithtubes-subscribe%40yahoogroups.com>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Geoff Eden" <<mailto:geden1%40cogeco.ca>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: > <<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>[email protected]> > >> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 9:29 PM > >> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] What Do You Want Information ON? > >> > >> > >>> It's probably useful to take a broad look at the efficiency of electric > >>> heat. Considering that running a coal generator is only slightly above > >>> 30% > >>> efficiency, hence throwing away 70%. Then considering the line loss > >>> between > >>> the generator plant and your home, which is often discussed as around > >>> 10%. > >>> Then to further discuss the inefficiency of electrical resistance > >>> heating, > >>> which, I understand is only about 35%, then the whole picture of > >>> electrical > >>> heating fuel waste comes into perspective. > >>> > >>> Geoff > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Scott Howell" > <<mailto:s.howell%40verizon.net>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> To: > <<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>[email protected]> > >>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 6:16 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] What Do You Want Information ON? > >>> > >>> > >>> So, lets add anothr question to this. Does it make sense to lower the > >>> temp at night in the home or leave it set at the same temp day and > >>> night? The thought is by lowering it 3 to 4 degrees at night while > >>> your asleep, it would run less, but then if the heatpump has to fire > >>> up the backup heat source which is likely electric itself and run at > >>> the same time to raise the temp up the 3 to 4 degrees, have you really > >>> saved anything. > >>> > >>> Scott > >>> <mailto:s.howell%40verizon.net>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Aug 27, 2007, at 11:21 AM, Dan Rossi wrote: > >>> > >>>> Actually, I think that a heat pump is supposed to be more efficient > >>>> than > >>>> just straight electric heat, but not exactly sure how it works out > >>>> that > >>>> way. > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Blue skies. > >>>> Dan Rossi > >>>> Carnegie Mellon University. > >>>> E-Mail: <mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> Tel: (412) 268-9081 > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> To listen to the show archives go to link > >>> <http://acbradio.org/handyman.html>http://acbradio.org/handyman.html > >>> or > >>> > <ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/>ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ > >>> > >>> The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. > >>> > <http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday>http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday > >>> > >>> Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From > >>> Various > >>> List Members At The Following address: > >>> <http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/>http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ > >>> > >>> Visit the archives page at the following address > >>> > <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/>http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > >>> > >>> If you would like to join the Blind Computing list, then visit the > >>> following > >>> address for more information: > >>> > <http://jaws-users.com/mailman/listinfo/blind-computing_jaws-users.com>http://jaws-users.com/mailman/listinfo/blind-computing_jaws-users.com > >>> > >>> For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man > >>> list > >>> just send a blank message to: > >>> > <mailto:blindhandyman-help%40yahoogroups.com>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> Yahoo! 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