Hi,
I could easily see how this is a problem. I just added insulation to
my attic and it was R30, which was rolled out over what was already there. The
way my attic is configured is that at the ends of the roof, there is an empty
area, which I gather is called the eves. The reason why I say gather is because
what is interesting to me and I can't compare this to any other roofs as I have
not crawled into a tun of attics, but there are vented panels that are on the
underside of the roof. These have no wood, they are instead open. What I mean
is if you removed the panels, you would be able to put your hand directly into
the attic and touch the underside of the roof. So, I did not put insulation
clear to the edge, but instead took it out to just the point behind this open
area because I did not want to block the airflow. So, I found some small ice
sickles, which seem to be more likely water that may have run backward or maybe
more accurately off the edge of the gutter and flowed back under the eve. I'm
making an assumption here because the ice sickles just seem to be hanging
there, not quite attached to a flow, other than what was coming down over the
edge of the gutter. When I have the roof replaced at some point and I mean
replaced, not reshingled, I will check into barriers etc. I have not gone into
the attic to see what is going on and I probably should. So, far we have not
noticed any water coming into the home and I did go up and tear off the leaf
guard things and busted up a lot of the ice in the gutters. So, maybe this will
help get things flowing properly. :)
This has been the worst WInter I can recall. And imagine, it will apparently
rain or snow some on MOnday, which should add insult to injury.
On Feb 19, 2010, at 10:24 PM, Dave Andrus wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I grew up in northern Wisconsin. We were always told that if you have
> icicles it means you do not have enough insulation in the attic. When the
> sun melts snow from the top the water runs off the top. If you have ice dams
> and icicles this means melt from the underside. This can only happen from
> heat coming up from the rooms below.
>
> Certainly there are a few exceptions to this situation, but I suggest you
> find out how much insulation you have. We now live in st. Louis. Both here
> and up north they suggest an R30 or above for the attic.
>
> Dave A.
>
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> Jesus
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of john schwery
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:14 PM
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
>
> Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper. My wife is from the Burgh and
> gets articles like this.
>
> text of forwarded message follows:
>
> >Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip Friday, February 19,
> >2010 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
> >
> >When water is dripping down your walls and pooling on the floor, you
> >don't want to hear someone say: "Do nothing."
> >
> >Yet, that's probably the best advice roofers and insurance agents have
> >for the thousands of homeowners affected this week by ice dams.
> >
> >If you are one of them, your best hope for relief is that temperatures
> >go up or down -- soon.
> >
> >"Every house has tons of icicles hanging from gutters. It's very
> >picturesque but it's bad news for homeowners and for us," said David
> >Thomas of Thomas & McMenamin, an Upper St. Clair insurance agency.
> >
> >Mr. Thomas, a part owner, has heard from nearly two dozen homeowners
> >complaining of interior leaking over the last two weeks. And he's
> >expecting a lot more.
> >
> >As long as temperatures stay around freezing, snow and ice will
> >continue to thaw and refreeze on the roof, where ice at the edge holds
> >back water behind it. That water works its way through the shingles --
> >even climbing up a pitched roof -- and drips down inside the walls,
> >damaging wallboard, trim, insulation and sometimes flooring.
> >
> >So what can you do? Nothing, except catch or mop up the water you can
> >see and maybe poke a hole in the wall or ceiling to drain what you
> >can't see.
> >
> >Sam W. Gregg, 79, of Peters, said that about four days ago, he and his
> >wife noticed water dripping down a window in the dining room of their
> >50-year-old home. Then, the same thing happened in their living room
> >and two bedrooms.
> >
> >"Since it was a little warmer today, it's getting heavier," he said
> >Thursday. "I'm worried that it will get worse."
> >
> >The Greggs replace soaked towels on the windowsills every six hours or
> >so. They haven't filed a homeowners claim yet but figured they should
> >let Mr. Thomas know.
> >
> >Mr. Thomas said most water damage claims will be covered. And since
> >large insurance carriers have designated this a catastrophe loss,
> >homeowners'
> >rates generally won't be affected.
> >
> >However, that doesn't mean insurance companies will replace your roof,
> >or pay to make sure this doesn't happen again. For that, you'll have to
> >wait until the ice and snow are gone.
> >
> >Installing loops of heat tape -- electrical wire or tape that can be
> >plugged into an outlet -- will create gaps in the ice at the eaves to
> >allow water to run off. An even better solution is to have a roofer
> >install an ice and water shield beneath the bottom 3 or 4 feet of
> >shingles. This adhesive rubber membrane will prevent water trapped
> >behind an ice dam from getting through.
> >
> >But no one -- roofers included -- should be working up there now. Even
> >if you could safely work on an icy, pitched roof, removing snow or
> >chipping away ice won't help and might just make it worse.
> >
> >So for now, experts say, mop up, stay off the roof and pray that
> >temperatures drop into the 20s and stay there. As long as it's ice, it
> >can't drip into your house.
> >
> >Then hope temperatures gradually reach the 40s, and that ice in the
> >gutters finally melts.
> >
> >Read more:
> ><http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10050/1037001-258.stm#ixzz0fzU2Gv2f
> ><http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10050/1037001-258.stm#ixzz0fzU2Gv2f>
> >>http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10050/1037001-258.stm#ixzz0fzU2Gv2f
> ><http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10050/1037001-258.stm#ixzz0fzU2Gv2f>
> >
> > From Our Neck Of The World, our current weather
> > is: Silver Springs, Florida Clear, 42°F Wind:N-010° at 3mph Only a
> >fool tests the depth of the water with both feet.
> >Anna
> text of forwarded message ends:
>
> John
> Currently in Ocala, Florida Clear, 64°F Wind:SSW-200° at 6mph
> Lactomangulation: Manhandling the 'open here'
> spout on a milk container so badly that one has to resort to the 'illegal'
> side.
> Created by Weather Signature v1.31 http://www.weathersig.com
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>
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>
>
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