Hi Scott, It does sound like you have insulated well. That is good. You are correct. There does need to be airflow and so not covering up the vents at the end was a good thing.
Sometimes icicles do happen. Dave A. Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of Jesus Rev. Dave Andrus, Director Lutheran Blind Mission 888 215 2455 HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG -----Original Message----- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 1:42 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Hi, I could easily see how this is a problem. I just added insulation to my attic and it was R30, which was rolled out over what was already there. The way my attic is configured is that at the ends of the roof, there is an empty area, which I gather is called the eves. The reason why I say gather is because what is interesting to me and I can't compare this to any other roofs as I have not crawled into a tun of attics, but there are vented panels that are on the underside of the roof. These have no wood, they are instead open. What I mean is if you removed the panels, you would be able to put your hand directly into the attic and touch the underside of the roof. So, I did not put insulation clear to the edge, but instead took it out to just the point behind this open area because I did not want to block the airflow. So, I found some small ice sickles, which seem to be more likely water that may have run backward or maybe more accurately off the edge of the gutter and flowed back under the eve. I'm making an assumption here because the ice sickles just seem to be hanging there, not quite attached to a flow, other than what was coming down over the edge of the gutter. When I have the roof replaced at some point and I mean replaced, not reshingled, I will check into barriers etc. I have not gone into the attic to see what is going on and I probably should. So, far we have not noticed any water coming into the home and I did go up and tear off the leaf guard things and busted up a lot of the ice in the gutters. So, maybe this will help get things flowing properly. :) This has been the worst WInter I can recall. And imagine, it will apparently rain or snow some on MOnday, which should add insult to injury. On Feb 19, 2010, at 10:24 PM, Dave Andrus wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I grew up in northern Wisconsin. We were always told that if you have > icicles it means you do not have enough insulation in the attic. When > the sun melts snow from the top the water runs off the top. If you > have ice dams and icicles this means melt from the underside. This can > only happen from heat coming up from the rooms below. > > Certainly there are a few exceptions to this situation, but I suggest > you find out how much insulation you have. We now live in st. Louis. > Both here and up north they suggest an R30 or above for the attic. > > Dave A. > > Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the > cross of Jesus > > Rev. Dave Andrus, Director > Lutheran Blind Mission > 888 215 2455 > HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of john schwery > Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:14 PM > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! > > Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper. My wife is from the Burgh > and gets articles like this. > > text of forwarded message follows: > > >Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip Friday, February 19, > >2010 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette > > > >When water is dripping down your walls and pooling on the floor, you > >don't want to hear someone say: "Do nothing." > > > >Yet, that's probably the best advice roofers and insurance agents > >have for the thousands of homeowners affected this week by ice dams. > > > >If you are one of them, your best hope for relief is that > >temperatures go up or down -- soon. > > > >"Every house has tons of icicles hanging from gutters. It's very > >picturesque but it's bad news for homeowners and for us," said David > >Thomas of Thomas & McMenamin, an Upper St. Clair insurance agency. > > > >Mr. Thomas, a part owner, has heard from nearly two dozen homeowners > >complaining of interior leaking over the last two weeks. And he's > >expecting a lot more. > > > >As long as temperatures stay around freezing, snow and ice will > >continue to thaw and refreeze on the roof, where ice at the edge > >holds back water behind it. That water works its way through the > >shingles -- even climbing up a pitched roof -- and drips down inside > >the walls, damaging wallboard, trim, insulation and sometimes flooring. > > > >So what can you do? Nothing, except catch or mop up the water you can > >see and maybe poke a hole in the wall or ceiling to drain what you > >can't see. > > > >Sam W. Gregg, 79, of Peters, said that about four days ago, he and > >his wife noticed water dripping down a window in the dining room of > >their 50-year-old home. Then, the same thing happened in their living > >room and two bedrooms. > > > >"Since it was a little warmer today, it's getting heavier," he said > >Thursday. "I'm worried that it will get worse." > > > >The Greggs replace soaked towels on the windowsills every six hours > >or so. They haven't filed a homeowners claim yet but figured they > >should let Mr. Thomas know. > > > >Mr. Thomas said most water damage claims will be covered. And since > >large insurance carriers have designated this a catastrophe loss, > >homeowners' > >rates generally won't be affected. > > > >However, that doesn't mean insurance companies will replace your > >roof, or pay to make sure this doesn't happen again. For that, you'll > >have to wait until the ice and snow are gone. > > > >Installing loops of heat tape -- electrical wire or tape that can be > >plugged into an outlet -- will create gaps in the ice at the eaves to > >allow water to run off. An even better solution is to have a roofer > >install an ice and water shield beneath the bottom 3 or 4 feet of > >shingles. This adhesive rubber membrane will prevent water trapped > >behind an ice dam from getting through. > > > >But no one -- roofers included -- should be working up there now. > >Even if you could safely work on an icy, pitched roof, removing snow > >or chipping away ice won't help and might just make it worse. > > > >So for now, experts say, mop up, stay off the roof and pray that > >temperatures drop into the 20s and stay there. As long as it's ice, > >it can't drip into your house. > > > >Then hope temperatures gradually reach the 40s, and that ice in the > >gutters finally melts. > > > >Read more: > ><http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10050/1037001-258.stm#ixzz0fzU2Gv2f > ><http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10050/1037001-258.stm#ixzz0fzU2Gv2f> > >>http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10050/1037001-258.stm#ixzz0fzU2Gv2f > ><http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10050/1037001-258.stm#ixzz0fzU2Gv2f> > > > > From Our Neck Of The World, our current weather > > is: Silver Springs, Florida Clear, 42°F Wind:N-010° at 3mph Only a > >fool tests the depth of the water with both feet. > >Anna > text of forwarded message ends: > > John > Currently in Ocala, Florida Clear, 64°F Wind:SSW-200° at 6mph > Lactomangulation: Manhandling the 'open here' > spout on a milk container so badly that one has to resort to the 'illegal' > side. > Created by Weather Signature v1.31 http://www.weathersig.com > <http://www.weathersig.com> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_p age&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! 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