Hi Dave, I sort of suspected that would be a little normal. After all, we did only get a total of about 50 inches of snow or so and that is not including the snow we got just before Christmas. We certainly have gotten more snow than I can recall in all the years I've been living in this area. I mean I remember some pretty big storms back in my youth, but I don't think they quite were this large. grin. On Feb 20, 2010, at 10:07 PM, Dave Andrus wrote:
> Hi Scott, > > It does sound like you have insulated well. That is good. You are correct. > There does need to be airflow and so not covering up the vents at the end > was a good thing. > > Sometimes icicles do happen. > > Dave A. > > Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of > Jesus > > Rev. Dave Andrus, Director > Lutheran Blind Mission > 888 215 2455 > HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Scott Howell > Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 1:42 PM > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! > > Hi, > > I could easily see how this is a problem. I just added insulation > to my attic and it was R30, which was rolled out over what was already > there. The way my attic is configured is that at the ends of the roof, > there is an empty area, which I gather is called the eves. The reason why I > say gather is because what is interesting to me and I can't compare this to > any other roofs as I have not crawled into a tun of attics, but there are > vented panels that are on the underside of the roof. These have no wood, > they are instead open. What I mean is if you removed the panels, you would > be able to put your hand directly into the attic and touch the underside of > the roof. So, I did not put insulation clear to the edge, but instead took > it out to just the point behind this open area because I did not want to > block the airflow. So, I found some small ice sickles, which seem to be more > likely water that may have run backward or maybe more accurately off the > edge of the gutter and flowed back under the eve. I'm making an assumption > here because the ice sickles just seem to be hanging there, not quite > attached to a flow, other than what was coming down over the edge of the > gutter. When I have the roof replaced at some point and I mean replaced, not > reshingled, I will check into barriers etc. I have not gone into the attic > to see what is going on and I probably should. So, far we have not noticed > any water coming into the home and I did go up and tear off the leaf guard > things and busted up a lot of the ice in the gutters. So, maybe this will > help get things flowing properly. :) This has been the worst WInter I can > recall. And imagine, it will apparently rain or snow some on MOnday, which > should add insult to injury. > On Feb 19, 2010, at 10:24 PM, Dave Andrus wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I grew up in northern Wisconsin. We were always told that if you have > > icicles it means you do not have enough insulation in the attic. When > > the sun melts snow from the top the water runs off the top. If you > > have ice dams and icicles this means melt from the underside. This can > > only happen from heat coming up from the rooms below. > > > > Certainly there are a few exceptions to this situation, but I suggest > > you find out how much insulation you have. We now live in st. Louis. > > Both here and up north they suggest an R30 or above for the attic. > > > > Dave A. > > > > Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the > > cross of Jesus > > > > Rev. Dave Andrus, Director > > Lutheran Blind Mission > > 888 215 2455 > > HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of john schwery > > Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:14 PM > > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! > > > > Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper. My wife is from the Burgh > > and gets articles like this. > > > > text of forwarded message follows: > > > > >Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip Friday, February 19, > > >2010 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette > > > > > >When water is dripping down your walls and pooling on the floor, you > > >don't want to hear someone say: "Do nothing." > > > > > >Yet, that's probably the best advice roofers and insurance agents > > >have for the thousands of homeowners affected this week by ice dams. > > > > > >If you are one of them, your best hope for relief is that > > >temperatures go up or down -- soon. > > > > > >"Every house has tons of icicles hanging from gutters. It's very > > >picturesque but it's bad news for homeowners and for us," said David > > >Thomas of Thomas & McMenamin, an Upper St. Clair insurance agency. > > > > > >Mr. Thomas, a part owner, has heard from nearly two dozen homeowners > > >complaining of interior leaking over the last two weeks. And he's > > >expecting a lot more. > > > > > >As long as temperatures stay around freezing, snow and ice will > > >continue to thaw and refreeze on the roof, where ice at the edge > > >holds back water behind it. That water works its way through the > > >shingles -- even climbing up a pitched roof -- and drips down inside > > >the walls, damaging wallboard, trim, insulation and sometimes flooring. > > > > > >So what can you do? Nothing, except catch or mop up the water you can > > >see and maybe poke a hole in the wall or ceiling to drain what you > > >can't see. > > > > > >Sam W. Gregg, 79, of Peters, said that about four days ago, he and > > >his wife noticed water dripping down a window in the dining room of > > >their 50-year-old home. Then, the same thing happened in their living > > >room and two bedrooms. > > > > > >"Since it was a little warmer today, it's getting heavier," he said > > >Thursday. "I'm worried that it will get worse." > > > > > >The Greggs replace soaked towels on the windowsills every six hours > > >or so. They haven't filed a homeowners claim yet but figured they > > >should let Mr. Thomas know. > > > > > >Mr. Thomas said most water damage claims will be covered. And since > > >large insurance carriers have designated this a catastrophe loss, > > >homeowners' > > >rates generally won't be affected. > > > > > >However, that doesn't mean insurance companies will replace your > > >roof, or pay to make sure this doesn't happen again. For that, you'll > > >have to wait until the ice and snow are gone. > > > > > >Installing loops of heat tape -- electrical wire or tape that can be > > >plugged into an outlet -- will create gaps in the ice at the eaves to > > >allow water to run off. An even better solution is to have a roofer > > >install an ice and water shield beneath the bottom 3 or 4 feet of > > >shingles. This adhesive rubber membrane will prevent water trapped > > >behind an ice dam from getting through. > > > > > >But no one -- roofers included -- should be working up there now. > > >Even if you could safely work on an icy, pitched roof, removing snow > > >or chipping away ice won't help and might just make it worse. > > > > > >So for now, experts say, mop up, stay off the roof and pray that > > >temperatures drop into the 20s and stay there. As long as it's ice, > > >it can't drip into your house. > > > > > >Then hope temperatures gradually reach the 40s, and that ice in the > > >gutters finally melts. > > > > > >Read more: > > ><http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10050/1037001-258.stm#ixzz0fzU2Gv2f > > ><http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10050/1037001-258.stm#ixzz0fzU2Gv2f> > > >>http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10050/1037001-258.stm#ixzz0fzU2Gv2f > > ><http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10050/1037001-258.stm#ixzz0fzU2Gv2f> > > > > > > From Our Neck Of The World, our current weather > > > is: Silver Springs, Florida Clear, 42°F Wind:N-010° at 3mph Only a > > >fool tests the depth of the water with both feet. > > >Anna > > text of forwarded message ends: > > > > John > > Currently in Ocala, Florida Clear, 64°F Wind:SSW-200° at 6mph > > Lactomangulation: Manhandling the 'open here' > > spout on a milk container so badly that one has to resort to the 'illegal' > > side. > > Created by Weather Signature v1.31 http://www.weathersig.com > > <http://www.weathersig.com> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Send any questions regarding list management to: > blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com > To listen to the show archives go to link > http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_p > age&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=47:29 > Or > ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ > > The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. > http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday > > Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various > List Members At The Following address: > http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ > > Visit the archives page at the following address > http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ > > If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following > address for more information: > http://www.jaws-users.com/ > For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list > just send a blank message to: > blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! 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