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Today's topics: * THE ROLE OF PRINT AND ELECTRONIC MEDIA IN OUR ORGANISATION - 2 messages, 2 authors http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/9feb7326bcfe5756 * clarifications - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/f68328612393cfee ============================================================================== TOPIC: THE ROLE OF PRINT AND ELECTRONIC MEDIA IN OUR ORGANISATION http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/9feb7326bcfe5756 ============================================================================== == 1 of 2 == Date: Sun, Feb 19 2006 3:31 pm From: "Ankur Gattani" Hi ppl, Media persons.. whoever they are. are as much elements of this society as you and I are! so applying a faceless allegation on them about being irresponsible or anything of that sort is not quite a judicious way of dealing with it. We have to get out of this 'us' and 'them' stance, if you understand what I mean. If India's to awaken truly, the waking up wont' happen in a closed room, isolating the 'others' from it. It has to be a mass effort across professional domains! We also need media persons aboard our mission.. and yes.. they have their allegiance to their bosses.. but not to such an extent that they lose their allegiance to the nation and the society altogether. As of now, lets have our website as our mouthpiece, of all our collectively taken up policies, plans of action etc. Media coverage, is a good means to our end.. and the regulations from our side are only supposed to take care that it doesn't become an end in itself! In both positive and negative ways.. lets realize what media is capable of doing, in this world of today. Regards, Ankur On 2/18/06, BhanuPrakash Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Dear patriots, > I tend to agree with Sivabalan.Lets create the > organisation with sufficient number of active > members,lay down rule for functioning, boundaries of > operation. What I mean is that let BM become an > edifice which can be clearly perceived by any Indian > but which cant be easily demolished or corrupted. pl > remember the moment the self seeking people of this > country sense that our objective may come in their way > they will try to finish off using all resources at > their command. Therefore friends lets make BM stong > enough. Then we must make use of media to further our > aims. bhanu > > > --- Sivabalan Pandian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Dear Folks, > > > > I appreciate the initiative to reflect on the role > > of media towards the > > organisation growth and to leverage the power of > > media to enhance our > > progressive movement. We need to do things in > > perspective of our motto "We > > have only one passion - The rise of a Great Nation" > > ! > > I have always being a believer of the classic maxim > > "Action speaks louder > > than words", which should also be our current focus. > > We need to perform > > deeds for the upliftment of the society and as time > > passes by we will shall > > acquire the fame deserving of the act from the same > > media. > > > > We can leverage the media to our advantage only to > > the extend needed to > > create an awareness amongst our fellowmen not > > explicitly for the growth of > > the organisation at this juncture. If we cant > > totally avoid then we can feed > > them our motto and probably the above maxim and > > nothing beyond that. Else > > it will tantamount to tomtoming our dreams (which > > every Indian is good at > > doing) and will make us sound like an organisation > > of dreamers. > > > > I might be missing some of the crux of the > > organisation vision coz I have > > been a late entrant. > > So, if my thought is incoherent with that, kindly > > feel free to highlight it. > > > > Jai Hind ! > > Sivabalan S. > > > > > > > > On 2/16/06, vishwanath shukla > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > In favour of our organisation i'm starting a new > > thread on "the role of > > > print and electronic media in our organisation". > > > > > > "becoz their friendship and enmity both are > > equally costly !!" > > > > > > through this i would like to put few questions in > > front of u all------ > > > > > > (1) should we approach media by ourslves ? > > > (2) how should we deal with the media and their > > equally smart reporters > > > if they come > > > their own ?? What should be our course of > > action ? > > > (3) Can we adopt the following attitude, i.e. that > > we should do some > > > concrete activities > > > on social and cultural grounds for few > > years, without paying > > > attention to the > > > EXTERNAL HYPE, and then after we have done > > some solid homework, > > > we should > > > slowly and steadily start appearing in > > front of the nation > > > through media. > > > Or something you all suggest !!! > > > > > > ours this way of > > working then may help us > > > in consolidating our > > > policies,organisational structureand above > > all this will give us > > > AMPLE TIME TO > > > EVOVLE OUR BASIC PHILOSOPHY and then to > > consolidate it. > > > Since we are starting > > this sort of work for > > > the first time in the country, > > > so it is quite natural that we are bound to > > get some hype and > > > above all PEOPLE'S > > > FAITH. Thus this is our prime responsibility > > that we don't let > > > down their hopes and > > > and aspirations. > > > One thing more we must > > be catious enough, > > > to avoid fresh > > > controversies, because there may some FORCES > > ( like political > > > parties and other > > > mean minded fellows, AS NOW WE ARE DANGER TO > > THEIR EXISTENCE) > > > which may try to crush us. > > > BECAUSE THESE DAYS IDIOTS > > AND ENEMIES ARE > > > SMARTER !!. > > > > > > I request all BM members and office > > bearers ( i.e. moderatos > > > and team > > > coordinators ) to take an active part in the > > discussion, as this > > > helps us in finalising > > > our important policies. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Smile; > > Siva > > > > ############################# > > ***** "We have only one passion. > > - The rise of a Great Nation" ***** > > ############################# > > > > > > > > > > > Bhanuprakash Singh > Chief Mechanical Engineer > West Central Railway,Jabalpur > India 482001office : 0091 7612677076 > mob 0091 9425153150 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > -- Ankur Gattani IIT Bombay 98692 52842 "A crucial task before us is to overcome the defeatist mentality that has crept into our intelligentsia and the powers-that-be, the fatalistic belief that Indians cannot do anything new in India." A.P.J.Abdul Kalam Join us and be a part of the next Indian Revloution led by youth! www.bharatudaymission.org == 2 of 2 == Date: Mon, Feb 20 2006 12:47 pm From: satya I totally agree with Ankur. And in fact this dicussion about who should talk to media , this was to be raised sometime in the future if not now. So now instead of pointing at faults , lets make strong policies not only about dealing with media but in all respects. Even though our social service with unconditional love.... lets make the organisation more professinoal and bring discilpline.I am deeply worried that this group is grossly under utilized as i see there are lot of young patriots joining the group everyday. Satya On 19/02/06, Ankur Gattani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi ppl, > > Media persons.. whoever they are. are as much elements of this society as > you and I are! so applying a faceless allegation on them about being > irresponsible or anything of that sort is not quite a judicious way of > dealing with it. > > We have to get out of this 'us' and 'them' stance, if you understand what > I mean. If India's to awaken truly, the waking up wont' happen in a closed > room, isolating the 'others' from it. It has to be a mass effort across > professional domains! We also need media persons aboard our mission.. and > yes.. they have their allegiance to their bosses.. but not to such an extent > that they lose their allegiance to the nation and the society altogether. > > As of now, lets have our website as our mouthpiece, of all our > collectively taken up policies, plans of action etc. Media coverage, is a > good means to our end.. and the regulations from our side are only supposed > to take care that it doesn't become an end in itself! > > In both positive and negative ways.. lets realize what media is capable of > doing, in this world of today. > > > Regards, > > Ankur > > > On 2/18/06, BhanuPrakash Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Dear patriots, > > I tend to agree with Sivabalan.Lets create the > > organisation with sufficient number of active > > members,lay down rule for functioning, boundaries of > > operation. What I mean is that let BM become an > > edifice which can be clearly perceived by any Indian > > but which cant be easily demolished or corrupted. pl > > remember the moment the self seeking people of this > > country sense that our objective may come in their way > > they will try to finish off using all resources at > > their command. Therefore friends lets make BM stong > > enough. Then we must make use of media to further our > > aims. bhanu > > > > > > --- Sivabalan Pandian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Dear Folks, > > > > > > I appreciate the initiative to reflect on the role > > > of media towards the > > > organisation growth and to leverage the power of > > > media to enhance our > > > progressive movement. We need to do things in > > > perspective of our motto "We > > > have only one passion - The rise of a Great Nation" > > > ! > > > I have always being a believer of the classic maxim > > > "Action speaks louder > > > than words", which should also be our current focus. > > > We need to perform > > > deeds for the upliftment of the society and as time > > > passes by we will shall > > > acquire the fame deserving of the act from the same > > > media. > > > > > > We can leverage the media to our advantage only to > > > the extend needed to > > > create an awareness amongst our fellowmen not > > > explicitly for the growth of > > > the organisation at this juncture. If we cant > > > totally avoid then we can feed > > > them our motto and probably the above maxim and > > > nothing beyond that. Else > > > it will tantamount to tomtoming our dreams (which > > > every Indian is good at > > > doing) and will make us sound like an organisation > > > of dreamers. > > > > > > I might be missing some of the crux of the > > > organisation vision coz I have > > > been a late entrant. > > > So, if my thought is incoherent with that, kindly > > > feel free to highlight it. > > > > > > Jai Hind ! > > > Sivabalan S. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/16/06, vishwanath shukla > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In favour of our organisation i'm starting a new > > > thread on "the role of > > > > print and electronic media in our organisation". > > > > > > > > "becoz their friendship and enmity both are > > > equally costly !!" > > > > > > > > through this i would like to put few questions in > > > front of u all------ > > > > > > > > (1) should we approach media by ourslves ? > > > > (2) how should we deal with the media and their > > > equally smart reporters > > > > if they come > > > > their own ?? What should be our course of > > > action ? > > > > (3) Can we adopt the following attitude, i.e. that > > > we should do some > > > > concrete activities > > > > on social and cultural grounds for few > > > years, without paying > > > > attention to the > > > > EXTERNAL HYPE, and then after we have done > > > some solid homework, > > > > we should > > > > slowly and steadily start appearing in > > > front of the nation > > > > through media. > > > > Or something you all suggest !!! > > > > > > > > ours this way of > > > working then may help us > > > > in consolidating our > > > > policies,organisational structureand above > > > all this will give us > > > > AMPLE TIME TO > > > > EVOVLE OUR BASIC PHILOSOPHY and then to > > > consolidate it. > > > > Since we are starting > > > this sort of work for > > > > the first time in the country, > > > > so it is quite natural that we are bound to > > > get some hype and > > > > above all PEOPLE'S > > > > FAITH. Thus this is our prime responsibility > > > that we don't let > > > > down their hopes and > > > > and aspirations. > > > > One thing more we must > > > be catious enough, > > > > to avoid fresh > > > > controversies, because there may some FORCES > > > ( like political > > > > parties and other > > > > mean minded fellows, AS NOW WE ARE DANGER TO > > > THEIR EXISTENCE) > > > > which may try to crush us. > > > > BECAUSE THESE DAYS IDIOTS > > > AND ENEMIES ARE > > > > SMARTER !!. > > > > > > > > I request all BM members and office > > > bearers ( i.e. moderatos > > > > and team > > > > coordinators ) to take an active part in the > > > discussion, as this > > > > helps us in finalising > > > > our important policies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Smile; > > > Siva > > > > > > ############################# > > > ***** "We have only one passion. > > > - The rise of a Great Nation" ***** > > > ############################# > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhanuprakash Singh > > Chief Mechanical Engineer > > West Central Railway,Jabalpur > > India 482001office : 0091 7612677076 > > mob 0091 9425153150 > > crept into our intelligentsia and the powers-that-be, the fatalistic > > belief that Indians cannot do anything new in India." > > A.P.J.Abdul Kalam > > > > Join us and be a part of the next Indian Revloution led by youth! > > www.bharatudaymission.org > > > > -- "|| bRaHmAiVa sAtYaM ||" ============================================================================== TOPIC: clarifications http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/f68328612393cfee ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Sun, Feb 19 2006 4:25 pm From: "Ankur Gattani" Hi all, I am not aware how precise and specific are the rules that define our approach to the media.... we have to realize that we can't cut ourselves away from the media and at times it can actually play a strong role.. for our benefit. anyway, regarding the current controversy, i think all of us realize it only too well that in order for us to make a sustained and strenghened effort towards the growth of the nation, it's elementary that we have faith in each others' motives in every action and the sincerety towards the cause. Amit, I appreciate your concern about the inappropriateness of the rule a priori, but as of now, all you seem to be doing is baying for the head of our team members, which doesn't come across as a very good sign... Gopal and others, we've seen a live demo of the possibilities that the rule might end up affecting genuine people in a negative manner.. it has a tremendous scope of coming across as a hypocritical stance. now, be it you ppl.. or be it someone else... let not a blanket rule take away the subjectivity of the case. the problem with approaching media is that it might lead people into making false claims of their achievements, which is bad for the reputation of BM.. and for the glorification part of it, people might take credit for someone else's work which is again detrimental to team work... but avoiding media altogether is not the solution.. we will at times, need to use it to our advantage. The approach at this stage has to be sensitive to all our requirements, and the focus must be on grooming individuals and achieving rational thought without prejudices.... laying down very strict rules on the code of conduct makes it too mechanical and impersonal. We need to get people to understand what is there and why it's there and also be in a positiion to modify and fine tune our policies as time teaches us lessons. Once again, on the admin team, with all our sensible minds, we understand that leadership requires a high degree of humility, so the perception, that the admin team is on a higher level of hierarchy than the others.. has to go.. from teh admin team.. and more importantly from the other ppl themselves... As I the admin team is a bunch of committed and motivated people who have for the time being taken up the responsibility of co-ordinating the efforts from different people and stream lining our efforts.. None of us, as of now is old enough with BM that he could claim a higher position or a right to make a decision than the others.. if someone committs a mistake, he's answerable not to the admin team alone who'll make his judgement but to the whole of our community! I hope I'm making sense. If anyone differs on opinion, I'd be glad to discuss it out. Regards, Ankur On 2/18/06, Vinayak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Friends > > I can see the group discussing an issue on the appearance of a group > members name in print. I am new here + haven't followed that thread and > hence I have *NO OPINION* on that discussion (of name in print ) > > However the original point, NOT TAKING DOWRY caught my eye when I saw a > post by Divya dated Feb 16th 2006 > > That seems to be a laudable cause. I've copied that portion below. > > Where can I find reference to *NOT TAKING dowry* - a principle of BM ? > > Is it on some website ? are members signatories to it ? > > Any pointers / guidance would be most appreciated .. > > > regards > > Vinayak > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Dear Subhashji, > > This is in regard to your queries. > > 1. Like it has been written on the website, the choice of > not paying dowry lies in the hands of each member of BM. It > is a guiding principle. All full time members of BM will > assure you that no dowry will be taken by them. > > [.........] > > Thanks and regards, > > Moderators > > <<<<<<<<<<<<< > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > 1. it was not only the time factor but the fact that he asked each one > > of the admin team members if we were okay with the correspondent > > mentioning his name. he also asked members who were present at that > > time. parjanya has responded clarifyign this point as well. > > 2. the correspondent.. mr.subhash sent the moderators a mail with a > > couple of queries regarding what was written on the website. i m > > quoting the reply i sent to him here: > > > > ============== > > From: Moderator BhartUdayMission < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Jan 31, 2006 11:10 AM > > Subject: regarding your query > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Dear Subhashji, > > > > This is in regard to your queries. > > > > 1. Like it has been written on the website, the choice of not paying > > dowry lies in the hands of each member of BM. It is a guiding > > principle. All full time members of BM will assure you that no dowry > > will be taken by them. > > > > 2. As regards to the surname, it is optional and is again up to each > > member. As an example, my own name is Cherala Divyashri Rao but I don't > > use the Rao in my name. Similarly, a lot of members have taken this > > choice. > > > > I request you once again not to carry the names of any of the members > > involved as it is against our policies. > > > > Thanks and regards, > > Moderators > > ========================== > > > > As you can see, I did not know that he would print this in his article. > > I told Gopal and Rishikesh about this immediately. I could not get > > through to Gyan. > > > > Also, the management team(with one member from all the teams) will > > decide on our draft media policy. As was repeatedly stated, the only > > thing that moderators made a rule about was that they have to be > > contacted about media approaching. This rule was followed. > > > > I am sorry if any of you feel that this was done for "personal glory" > > as one of you has put it. You should understand that we had repeatedly > > asked the reporter(including in my correspondence with him) that names > > should not be mentioned. > > I would like to reiterate that the ONLY rule was about informing > > moderators about media. Gopal is not on the Admin team and he was > > voicing his own opinion about media, just as all of you have voiced > > yours. > > The rule that had been made is clear and still stands. > > > > A complete media policy will be formed with all the management group > > members. > > > > This will be my last mail regarding this issue. > > > > Regards, > > Divya > > > > -- Ankur Gattani IIT Bombay 98692 52842 "A crucial task before us is to overcome the defeatist mentality that has crept into our intelligentsia and the powers-that-be, the fatalistic belief that Indians cannot do anything new in India." A.P.J.Abdul Kalam Join us and be a part of the next Indian Revloution led by youth! www.bharatudaymission.org ============================================================================== You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BM_discussion" group. 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