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[email protected] Today's topics: * Fwd: Reg:<Water> <Agri-Culture>,, If I were to take this view............... - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/a7608ea5d857710b?hl=en * TOPIC: How do we maintain/enhance our purity? - 2 messages, 2 authors http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/728b8e219ee0f4b?hl=en ============================================================================== TOPIC: Fwd: Reg:<Water> <Agri-Culture>,, If I were to take this view........... .... http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/a7608ea5d857710b?hl=en ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Sat, May 12 2007 1:29 pm From: "Sundeep Jalan" Ref: Constitution of India, Part Three - Fundamental Rights, Article 19(1) (g) which says- All Citizens SHALL have right to Practice any Profession, or to carry on any Trade, Occupation, or Business. FACTS: # Irrigation is a State subject; # In Maharashtra, If one intends to purchase Agricultural Land for Agriculture, She/He must be a FARMER. It follows the Govt. has itself recognised farming as an Profession or Occupation. # By virtue of Art. 19(1)(g),, the Constitution guarantees Every Citizen........ # Without Irrigation i.e. Water this right is meaningless. # The State is under obligation to provide adequate Water for Irrigation to all Farmers and they cannot plead inadequacy of Funds as a defence for not providing Water. # State has power to impose Taxes for generating revenue. # State has unfettered powers in framing policies and Programmes without even subject to Judicial review. We are least concerned for the Corruption involved at every step. we are concerned with our Fundamental Right and we must get it and the State has taken an OATH before taking Office. *Relief From the High Court: * Within a stipulated time frame, the State Must ensure Water for Irrigation, or face Contempt. Sandeep Bharat. ------------------------------ Office firewalls, cyber cafes, college labs, don't allow you to download CHAT? Here's a solution!<http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail/in/ymessenger/*http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php> ============================================================================== TOPIC: TOPIC: How do we maintain/enhance our purity? http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/728b8e219ee0f4b?hl=en ============================================================================== == 1 of 2 == Date: Sat, May 12 2007 11:33 pm From: "Gopal Krishna" Dear friends, Vikas Ji has raised a profound question. i m expressing my personal views on this below: From: "Vikas Nagpal" > > > Respected friends/patriouts, > I salute all members of BM. > > I had an important question or introspecting topic for all of us. > > As members of BM, how do we maintain/enhance our purity of mind? > > Purity is our key strength. > > Are we walking on some path e.g. Yoga, Self Enquiry, Vipassana > Meditation, etc., which will make our mind pure and strong? yoga helps a lot in purifying the mind. when one experiences thought-free consciousness for long time (at least 12 seconds in meditation, at least 12*12 sec for deep meditation), one realises "What is this I which endlessly chatter in the mind: "I have to do this.", "My work is not yet finished." - this "I" is nothing but ego. That's why thought-free consciousness is said to be the highest state of purity (pure or 100% sattwa) : no harm if the "I" in us is harmless/sattwic "I" of "compassion, charity, love, selflessness". by grace of God, i have often experienced deep meditation (>= 144 sec of thought-free consciousness at a stretch) many times and realise now that such experiences increase level of compassion and service spirit tremendously, they give deep joy and peace, make us fearless, make us understand that "thoughts come and go, but inner consciousness remains same, so inner consciousness is our real nature and not these thoughts", make us understand that Consciousness in everyone is same : i would even say that without prolonged experience of thought-free consciousness, no one can truly understand the meaning of "oneness of mankind" about which all enlightened sages have talked. i have listed all 4 methods to experience thought-free consciousness or meditation in a file here: http://gopalkrishna.mission.googlepages.com/yoga.pdf u may experiment with them and hopefully, develop a habit of doing the practice for >= 30 min daily in sitting position and use the same in free-time like during bath, eating food, walking etc to make mind free from thoughts. if u r aware of any more techniques, please let me know and i will add them to the file. directly experiencing thought-free consciousness is not possible for everyone (by Grace of God, I had a direct experience, but when i tried to share these techniques with others, many did not experience the state due to gross level of awareness) : so, using the tool of pranayama and developing higher ideals of forgiveness, broad-mindedness, non-attachment is also necessary. Swami Ramdev Ji teaches a very effective combination of 6-7 pranayams: they r absolutely effective in removing physical diseases and removing gross tension (subtle tensions can be removed only through experience of thought-free consciousness: pranayam is supposed to deal only with gross tensions). here is the vidoe file of Ramdev Ji : http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4073502420928488341&q=ramdev+pranayam&hl=en please see it: everyone should do 1 hr of yoga daily in the early morning : 5 min Sirshasana, 25 min pranayam, and 30 min meditation. my interests in yoga goes beyond goal of peace: i aim for the same spiritual illumination (Self-Realisation) that Buddha has under Bodhi tree, but that needs extra-ordinary yoga-practice (and full celibacy) for a number of decades: after joining the Mission fulltime, i will be able to manage time for such practices. Kindly share views and advices. > > My personal experience of Vipassana Meditation has been very good and > encouraging. There may be other spiritual paths also which help us in > our lives and mission. thanks, Gopal -- Gopal Krishna B. Tech Computer Science, IIT Kanpur Homepage: http://gopalkrishna.mission.googlepages.com == 2 of 2 == Date: Mon, May 14 2007 9:38 am From: "Milind Kotwal" Dear Friends, My frank views.. 1. There is absolutely no doubt that Indian system of Atmadarshan or Nirvana is superior to any other philosophy or practice as it assures self experience of the true reality. 2. Eventhough contribution of Indian culture to humanity was tremendous in historic or prehistoric times, The western culture has contributed tremendously much more than Indian culture in recent times. 3. It is also true that western culture has been more successful in getting better standard of living for their citizens. 4. Recent developments and advances in governance, management and understanding of the world with different perspectives and methodologies are great gifts of western culture to the world and all of us totally dependant on that. 5. Our culture has miserably failed to comprehend the recent advances and adjust to the new reality, we are just being dragged by the brute force of developments, we have not been able to provide the direction to the developments. We are merely reacting to the developments meekly. 6. In my opinion this is due to our total confusion between "Aihik" - Of this World, "Adhyatmic" - Of Atmic world. This confusion can be noticed in teachings of many saints and scriptures. In zzeal to purify ourselves we have been prescribing practices to be followed by a "Sanyasin" to "Grihastha". This has been counterproductive for our society in the long run. 7. I request you to remove a total misconception that a reallized soul knows everything. As far as my experience goes there is nothing such as knowing everything. There are many instances when known and accepted reallized souls can be shown to have failed to reallize facts. 8. If Atmadarshan is your goal, pl go ahead and follow the path prescribed for it. If you want to go for Societal developments, be clear in your vision, strategy and process and follow that. But do not mix up both the paths. 9. Someone might give examples of some reallized souls like Raja Janak who was a Atmagyani and successfully run the affairs of Government. but he was more as an exception than rule. 10. This is not to dissuade anybody from the path of Atmagyan but to stress to not to mix societal development and Atmagyan. Milind Kotwal On 5/13/07, Gopal Krishna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear friends, > > Vikas Ji has raised a profound question. i m expressing my personal views > on this below: > > > From: "Vikas Nagpal" > > > > > > Respected friends/patriouts, > > I salute all members of BM. > > > > I had an important question or introspecting topic for all of us. > > > > As members of BM, how do we maintain/enhance our purity of mind? > > > > Purity is our key strength. > > > > Are we walking on some path e.g. Yoga, Self Enquiry, Vipassana > > Meditation, etc., which will make our mind pure and strong? > > > yoga helps a lot in purifying the mind. when one experiences thought-free > consciousness for long time (at least 12 seconds in meditation, at least > 12*12 sec for deep meditation), one realises "What is this I which > endlessly chatter in the mind: " I have to do this.", "My work is not > yet finished." - this "I" is nothing but ego. That's why thought-free > consciousness is said to be the highest state of purity (pure or 100% > sattwa) : no harm if the "I" in us is harmless/sattwic "I" of "compassion, > charity, love, selflessness". > > by grace of God, i have often experienced deep meditation (>= 144 sec of > thought-free consciousness at a stretch) many times and realise now that > such experiences increase level of compassion and service spirit > tremendously, they give deep joy and peace, make us fearless, make us > understand that "thoughts come and go, but inner consciousness remains same, > so inner consciousness is our real nature and not these thoughts", make us > understand that Consciousness in everyone is same : i would even say that > without prolonged experience of thought-free consciousness, no one can truly > understand the meaning of "oneness of mankind" about which all enlightened > sages have talked. > > i have listed all 4 methods to experience thought-free consciousness or > meditation in a file here: > http://gopalkrishna.mission.googlepages.com/yoga.pdf > > u may experiment with them and hopefully, develop a habit of doing the > practice for >= 30 min daily in sitting position and use the same in > free-time like during bath, eating food, walking etc to make mind free from > thoughts. if u r aware of any more techniques, please let me know and i will > add them to the file. > > directly experiencing thought-free consciousness is not possible for > everyone (by Grace of God, I had a direct experience, but when i tried to > share these techniques with others, many did not experience the state due to > gross level of awareness) : so, using the tool of pranayama and developing > higher ideals of forgiveness, broad-mindedness, non-attachment is also > necessary. Swami Ramdev Ji teaches a very effective combination of 6-7 > pranayams: they r absolutely effective in removing physical diseases and > removing gross tension (subtle tensions can be removed only through > experience of thought-free consciousness: pranayam is supposed to deal only > with gross tensions). > > here is the vidoe file of Ramdev Ji : > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4073502420928488341&q=ramdev+pranayam&hl=en > > > please see it: everyone should do 1 hr of yoga daily in the early morning > : 5 min Sirshasana, 25 min pranayam, and 30 min meditation. > > my interests in yoga goes beyond goal of peace: i aim for the same > spiritual illumination (Self-Realisation) that Buddha has under Bodhi tree, > but that needs extra-ordinary yoga-practice (and full celibacy) for a number > of decades: after joining the Mission fulltime, i will be able to manage > time for such practices. > > > > > Kindly share views and advices. > > > > My personal experience of Vipassana Meditation has been very good and > > encouraging. There may be other spiritual paths also which help us in > > our lives and mission. > > > thanks, > > Gopal > > > -- > Gopal Krishna > B. Tech Computer Science, IIT Kanpur > Homepage: http://gopalkrishna.mission.googlepages.com > > > -- With Best Regards, Milind Kotwal ============================================================================== You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BM_discussion" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] or visit http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion?hl=en To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change the way you get mail from this group, visit: http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/subscribe?hl=en To report abuse, send email explaining the problem to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ============================================================================== Google Groups: http://groups.google.com?hl=en
