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[email protected] Today's topics: * BM's vision of casteless society - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/a0a44ff9b26b9220?hl=en * ayodhya - what the ideology of BM? - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/b33ba689db7c6c46?hl=en ============================================================================== TOPIC: BM's vision of casteless society http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/a0a44ff9b26b9220?hl=en ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Sat, Apr 21 2007 7:59 pm From: "Gopal Krishna" Dear brothers & sisters, ref: [[[ From: "Vignesh S K" This article is a good reading, for those who feel that caste system is an evil, well It doesnt say that the present system is right, but throws some insight into the problem and tries to find solutions. http://www.dlshq.org/messages/caste.htm even though the article is a bit outdate, the basic principles still are valid ]]] brother Vignesh Ji and all: caste is an evil and our ideology of caste-free vision is completely in tune with thoughts of Swami Vivekananda in link http://www.dlshq.org/messages/caste.htm . He is using the word caste, but his meaning is same as making India caste-free. this mail will clarify everything. the myth that brahmin means priest class is completely wrong: mentally retarded, morally blind and spiritually dull priest class hijacked the meaning of word brahmin: the truth is, the word brahmin word originates from Sanskrit word "brahm" (brahm means Universal Consciousness) and brahmin means one who is in the state of Universal Consciousness (Self-Realised). plz read these quotes of Swami Ji: [[[ Caste is a very good thing. Caste is the plan we want to follow. What caste really is, not one in a million understands. There is no country in the world without caste. Caste is based throughout on that principle. The plan in India is to make everybody Brahmana, the Brahmana being the ideal of humanity. Our ideal is the Brahmana of spiritual culture and renunciation. By the Brahmana ideal what do I mean? I mean the ideal Brahmana-ness in which worldliness is altogether absent and true wisdom is abundantly present. That is the ideal of the Hindu race. ]]] though he is using the word caste, but his meaning is altogether different: he is saying, I mean the ideal Brahmana-ness in which worldliness is altogether absent and true wisdom is abundantly present. - this means , he meant Self-Realised souls by word brahmin. For the time being, let us accept the myth spread by mentally retarded, morally blind and spiritually dull priest class that Gita, Upanishads, Vedas, Puranas and saints like Swami Vivekanada used word brahmin for those who do puja-path (rituals, worships) : now, consider these quotes of Swami Ji. Swami Ji said: I believe that the Satya Yuga (Golden Age) will come when there will be one caste, one Veda, and peace and harmony. This idea of Satya Yuga is what would revivify India. Believe it. - Swami Vivekananda. Vedas, Puranas also say that: In Satya Yuga (Golden Age), there were only Brahmins. Gita, Upanishads say ," Brahmin is a man of wisdom." so, as per interpretation of mentally retarded, morally blind and spiritually dull priest class, Swami Ji and authors of Vedas/Gita/Puranas/ are saying that in Satya Yuga, everyone does only puja-path (ritual/worship) and that Satya Yuga will come again in India when everyone will do puja-path (worship, rituals) : but, then from where food will come ? how will houses be built ? how will we get hair-cut ? who will do technical innovation/research ? so, this means only one thing: mentally retarded, morally blind and spiritually dull priest class are completely wrong . Swami Ji and authors of Vedas/Gita/Puranas/ used words Brahmin, Shudra, Vaishya and Kshatriya in a completely different context: the real meaning is below - there r purushartha (types of action): Dharma (Righteousness), Artha (Money and other personal gains), Kama (Pleasure), Moksha (Salvation) : one who lives on plane of Dharma is Khastriya, Artha is Vaishya, Kama is Shudra and Moksha is Brahmin. So, Brahmin, Vaishya, Shudra, Khsatriya r states of human consciousness rather than social categories . Gita, Upanishads have eulogized Brahmins a lot, but the meaning of Brahmin is a person who is Self-Realised (i.e. has attained the highest stage of consciousness - Universal Consciousness or Brahma) - people like Buddha, Krishna, Ramakrishna Paramahansa are brahmins as per Gita and Upanishads . rest people r mostly a mixture of 4 state of consciousness namely, Brahmin, Vaishya, Shudra, Kshatriya - when we worship God or are in state of meditation (thought-free consciousness), we are in Brahmin state, when we want to remove some wrongs in society, we r in Kshatriya state, when we want to earn money or other personal gains , we r in Vaishya state ,when we want to enjoy sense-pleasures we r in Shudra state. The same person is in the 4 states hundreds of times in one single day. no one should degrade the meaning of word Brahmin by calling him/herself brahmin without becoming Self-Realised like Buddha. but, the mentally and spiritually retarded priestly class has degraded these spiritual concepts beyond recognition in last few thousand years and has led birth to the cancer of thousands of emotionally disconnected socia categories, called castes. our goal is now to bring light of wisdom and make India free from disease of caste for ever . Also, we will destroy priesthood completely by spreading yoga (asana, pranayam and meditation) in each nook and corner of India and educating people that by God Vedas, Upanishads, Gita mean Universal Consciousness and not stone-idols and that during meditation (thought-free consciousness) or state of high mental calmness, one is closer to Universal Consciousness or God. Priest class has done enormous damage to "real spirituality" and our nation - they r tamasic people, full of greed, deceit and conceit. Just like, Ravana (and parrots), they have crammed verses of Gita, Upanishads but don't understand even ABC of spirituality - leave aside, Samadhi/Universal Consciousness, these foolish priests don't have even experience of meditation (thought-free consciousness) and yet, dare to pose as custodians of Hindu Religion. by spreading real religion of Yoga, priesthood will be destroyed in toto from Hindu society: we will do it in coming decades. And our deluded pious people, who r willing to donate lakhs and crores to build temples for their so-called piety and religious nature, when our society need hospitals, yoga-centres, schools , will be trained in humanity and compassion through proper education that the light of Universal Consciousness/God/Brahma is present in human beings the most , so instead of serving stone-idols, we would be closer to God/Universal Consciousness by serving our suffering brethren. Instead of donating money to build temples, we will be closer to God/Univeral Consciousness if we donate to build schools, hoispitals, yoga-centres to serve our suffering brethren. So, BM's caste-free vision is in full harmony with not only rationality, but also with true spirituality eulogised in Gita, Upanishads, Yoga phislosophy . let us will destroy the ridiculous perversion that caste is supported by Hindu scriptures and spirituality. whenever we read any great man like Vivekananda or Gita praising Brahmin so much, we must never fall in the delusion that they r praising so-called Brahmin-caste people. Brahmin caste and every other caste is just a disease - the sooner we rid the society of these labels the better we will be. as per Hindu scriptures, Brahmin-state of consciousness is the final state of evolution of consciousness and every person is supposed to strive to attain it. let us understand true import of Gita , Upanishads etc. and work for caste-free vision whole-heartedly . Dropping caste-based surname is small, but crucial part of this march towards caste-free India. So, apart from removing caste from our hearts and minds, let us remove caste-identity in social forms like caste-surnames, caste-based reservation, caste-based colony names also. please reflect upon this mail seriously: and during vacation, visit 5-10 villages and educate people about caste-free vision: caste will go - this is guaranteed - neither on plane of morality nor rationality nor humanity nor spirituality, caste has any support - its support is only egoism and backwardness and that support, we will destroy in next few decades - we give absolute guarantee for this! best regards, Gopal -- Gopal Krishna B. Tech Computer Science, IIT Kanpur Homepage: http://gopalkrishna.mission.googlepages.com ============================================================================== TOPIC: ayodhya - what the ideology of BM? http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/b33ba689db7c6c46?hl=en ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Sat, Apr 21 2007 3:22 pm From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" All, I want to know what is the constitutional view of the BM on the sensitive issues like ayodhya. while the following are understood: 1. india needs more of spirituality and education than religion in the current context, 2. Fighting for ayodhya leaves social harmony at its worst, 3. building temples wont solve the basic problem in our society/ mentality, it hurts me(many indians i hope) to acknowledge that we have lost our historically important, most glorious places like ayodhya, mathura and kashi etc to muslim invaders. How the BM core ideology deals with such issues? ============================================================================== You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BM_discussion" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] or visit http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion?hl=en To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change the way you get mail from this group, visit: http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/subscribe?hl=en To report abuse, send email explaining the problem to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ============================================================================== Google Groups: http://groups.google.com?hl=en
