The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 265 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: E36 left/right rear ride height Re: E36 left/right rear ride height Re: E36 left/right rear ride height Re: E36 left/right rear ride height Re: E36 left/right rear ride height <E36> subframe problems/cost to fix? Re: <E36> subframe problems/cost to fix? Re: E36 left/right rear ride height E36 Clutch Linkage Spring
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 17:11:37 -0400 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Brian Ruiz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E36 left/right rear ride height Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Not to mention, Brian... have you tried it with matching wheels/tires? Are the rolling diameters of the packages the same? The picture makes it seem as though you've got different tires. I know my 205/60-15, 225/50-16, and 235/40-17 have different effective rolling diameters which make a difference in the gap to the fender. To remove this uncertainty, measure from the center of each wheel to check the height. And then consider comparing those #s to factory specs (which I don't have handy, or I'd post). -Jay ************ > To the best of my knowledge, BMW designed it this way. Pictures can be very > deceptive based on the angle you took them (even though they may appear > consistent). Did you measure the difference front and rear, side to side? > > Did you check to be certain the springs are seated properly in the struts > and in the rear? Did you compare the springs before installing them to see > if they were the same length at rest? > > Regards, > > Rich > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Ruiz > > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 11:04 PM > > To: UUC Digest > > Subject: [UUC] E36 left/right rear ride height > > > > > > Hi all, > > I have the Bilstein sport/H&R sport setup on my 93 > > 325, and I just noticed a couple days ago that the > > ride height on the right side of the car, specifically > > the rear, is noticeably lower than on the left. It > > seems to be lower on the right in front too, but the > > pics I took of it don't seem to show much of a > > difference. I had heard something about it being > > designed that way to compensate for driver weight on > > the left side, but this seems to be too much of a > > difference (to me anyway) that it would be designed > > that way. > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 15:03:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E36 left/right rear ride height Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The tire on the left side is a 205/60/15, on the spare wheel. The tire on the right is a 215/60/15, on the original wheel. Although I don't think the difference in tire width would show this much of an effect, I will measure as many of you recommended, and check that the springs & pads are seated right. As far as I know, all is well, but I will get in to check again. Thanks all for the advice. Brian --- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not to mention, Brian... have you tried it with > matching wheels/tires? > Are the rolling diameters of the packages the same? > The picture makes > it seem as though you've got different tires. I > know my 205/60-15, > 225/50-16, and 235/40-17 have different effective > rolling diameters > which make a difference in the gap to the fender. > > To remove this uncertainty, measure from the center > of each wheel to > check the height. And then consider comparing those > #s to factory specs > (which I don't have handy, or I'd post). > -Jay > > ************ > > To the best of my knowledge, BMW designed it this > way. Pictures can > be very > > deceptive based on the angle you took them (even > though they may appear > > consistent). Did you measure the difference front > and rear, side to side? > > > > Did you check to be certain the springs are seated > properly in the struts > > and in the rear? Did you compare the springs > before installing them to see > > if they were the same length at rest? > > > > Regards, > > > > Rich > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Brian Ruiz > > > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 11:04 PM > > > To: UUC Digest > > > Subject: [UUC] E36 left/right rear ride height > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > I have the Bilstein sport/H&R sport setup on > my 93 > > > 325, and I just noticed a couple days ago that > the > > > ride height on the right side of the car, > specifically > > > the rear, is noticeably lower than on the left. > It > > > seems to be lower on the right in front too, but > the > > > pics I took of it don't seem to show much of a > > > difference. I had heard something about it > being > > > designed that way to compensate for driver > weight on > > > the left side, but this seems to be too much of > a > > > difference (to me anyway) that it would be > designed > > > that way. > > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > founder of the BMW CCA. > > > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > home of the Ultimate > > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:39:20 -0400 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E36 left/right rear ride height Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10mm width difference x 0.60 = ~6mm sidewall height difference *************** > The tire on the left side is a 205/60/15, on the spare > wheel. The tire on the right is a 215/60/15, on the > original wheel. Although I don't think the difference > in tire width would show this much of an effect, I > will measure as many of you recommended, and check > that the springs & pads are seated right. As far as I > know, all is well, but I will get in to check again. > Thanks all for the advice. > > Brian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 08:37:35 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Maverick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E36 left/right rear ride height Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> About a 1/4 inch difference by the math, but with manufacturing tolerances and variations between model and brands it could be much more. I just hope this car does not have a limited slip diff, as the difference in diameters will have it working all the time and wearing out. David in Richmond, VA -----Original Message----- From: Brian Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Jul 10, 2004 6:03 PM To: UUC Digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [UUC] E36 left/right rear ride height The tire on the left side is a 205/60/15, on the spare wheel. The tire on the right is a 215/60/15, on the original wheel. Although I don't think the difference in tire width would show this much of an effect, I will measure as many of you recommended, and check that the springs & pads are seated right. As far as I know, all is well, but I will get in to check again. Thanks all for the advice. Brian --- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not to mention, Brian... have you tried it with > matching wheels/tires? > Are the rolling diameters of the packages the same? > The picture makes > it seem as though you've got different tires. I > know my 205/60-15, > 225/50-16, and 235/40-17 have different effective > rolling diameters > which make a difference in the gap to the fender. > > To remove this uncertainty, measure from the center > of each wheel to > check the height. And then consider comparing those > #s to factory specs > (which I don't have handy, or I'd post). > -Jay > > ************ > > To the best of my knowledge, BMW designed it this > way. Pictures can > be very > > deceptive based on the angle you took them (even > though they may appear > > consistent). Did you measure the difference front > and rear, side to side? > > > > Did you check to be certain the springs are seated > properly in the struts > > and in the rear? Did you compare the springs > before installing them to see > > if they were the same length at rest? > > > > Regards, > > > > Rich > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Brian Ruiz > > > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 11:04 PM > > > To: UUC Digest > > > Subject: [UUC] E36 left/right rear ride height > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > I have the Bilstein sport/H&R sport setup on > my 93 > > > 325, and I just noticed a couple days ago that > the > > > ride height on the right side of the car, > specifically > > > the rear, is noticeably lower than on the left. > It > > > seems to be lower on the right in front too, but > the > > > pics I took of it don't seem to show much of a > > > difference. I had heard something about it > being > > > designed that way to compensate for driver > weight on > > > the left side, but this seems to be too much of > a > > > difference (to me anyway) that it would be > designed > > > that way. > > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > founder of the BMW CCA. > > > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > home of the Ultimate > > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 23:44:06 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E36 left/right rear ride height Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If your tires are mismatched, the ride height will also be off. A 215/60 is wider and taller than a 205/60. Gary Derian > 10mm width difference x 0.60 = ~6mm sidewall height difference > > *************** > > The tire on the left side is a 205/60/15, on the spare > > wheel. The tire on the right is a 215/60/15, on the > > original wheel. Although I don't think the difference > > in tire width would show this much of an effect, I > > will measure as many of you recommended, and check > > that the springs & pads are seated right. As far as I > > know, all is well, but I will get in to check again. > > Thanks all for the advice. > > > > Brian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 21:13:39 -0700 From: Tom Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: <E36> subframe problems/cost to fix? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello all, New as I am to the world of (relatively) current BMWs, I need some clarification, please, on the subframe problem so I can get a handle on what might be needed to get it fixed, if need be. Can anyone give me numbers on what, for example, a Turner kit would cost to install? I don't have a specific car in mind right now, just getting figures, but let's imagine worst case scenario and then hope when I find likely candidates it won't be so bad. :) Thanks a lot, Tom Reynolds Hereford, AZ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.708 / Virus Database: 464 - Release Date: 06/18/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 21:47:34 -0700 From: Marco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <E36> subframe problems/cost to fix? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Check the price on a new subframe also. IIRC sometime mid to late 96 the front subframes were made with re-inforcements. I broke my 5/94 build date M3 subframe in mid 97. Replaced it with a new subframe then and it's been fine since - that includes 3 years of sprint racing and one 25hour enduro. To install the Turner kit you need to r&r the frame and have it welded. If memory serves I paid about $250-$300 for a new subframe 7 years ago. Shop around since BMW parts costs can vary wildly from dealer to dealer. I checked a few weeks ago for one part $84 from one dealer, $150 from another. A good shop should be able to R&R a subframe in 2-3 hours. Probably an hour longer if they need to install the kit since they have to prep and weld it. While you're in there replace the motor mounts, and if you're real paranoid have them drop the pan and loctite or upgrade the oil pump retaining nut so that it doesn't back off. I've found several that were finger tight. Marco sponsored by www.rennwerks.com Tom Reynolds wrote: > Hello all, > New as I am to the world of (relatively) current BMWs, I need some > clarification, please, on the subframe problem so I can get a handle on > what might be needed to get it fixed, if need be. Can anyone give me > numbers on what, for example, a Turner kit would cost to install? I don't > have a specific car in mind right now, just getting figures, but let's > imagine worst case scenario and then hope when I find likely candidates it > won't be so bad. :) > Thanks a lot, > Tom Reynolds > Hereford, AZ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.708 / Virus Database: 464 - Release Date: 06/18/2004 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 09:15:59 -0700 From: Tom Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Maverick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E36 left/right rear ride height Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> David, Newbie chiming in here, agree with what's been said about measuring frm center of wheel. My addition is that I was once told about ride height on one side versus the other, same as you, to adjust for driver's weight on the left side of the car. The person who told me and my father that (back in 1972) was a MG car saleman, so I guess we took it for what it seemed to be worth at the time. I guess we believed him, because it seemed pretty far fetched to us, or perhaps that we'd never thought of it before... Regards, Tom Reynolds Hereford, AZ At 08:37 AM 07/11/2004 -0400, Maverick wrote: > >About a 1/4 inch difference by the math, but with manufacturing tolerances and variations between model and brands it could be much more. > >I just hope this car does not have a limited slip diff, as the difference in diameters will have it working all the time and wearing out. > >David in Richmond, VA > >-----Original Message----- >From: Brian Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Jul 10, 2004 6:03 PM >To: UUC Digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [UUC] E36 left/right rear ride height > >The tire on the left side is a 205/60/15, on the spare >wheel. The tire on the right is a 215/60/15, on the >original wheel. Although I don't think the difference >in tire width would show this much of an effect, I >will measure as many of you recommended, and check >that the springs & pads are seated right. As far as I >know, all is well, but I will get in to check again. >Thanks all for the advice. > >Brian > >--- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Not to mention, Brian... have you tried it with >> matching wheels/tires? >> Are the rolling diameters of the packages the same? >> The picture makes >> it seem as though you've got different tires. I >> know my 205/60-15, >> 225/50-16, and 235/40-17 have different effective >> rolling diameters >> which make a difference in the gap to the fender. >> >> To remove this uncertainty, measure from the center >> of each wheel to >> check the height. And then consider comparing those >> #s to factory specs >> (which I don't have handy, or I'd post). >> -Jay >> >> ************ >> > To the best of my knowledge, BMW designed it this >> way. Pictures can >> be very >> > deceptive based on the angle you took them (even >> though they may appear >> > consistent). Did you measure the difference front >> and rear, side to side? >> > >> > Did you check to be certain the springs are seated >> properly in the struts >> > and in the rear? Did you compare the springs >> before installing them to see >> > if they were the same length at rest? >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Rich >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Behalf Of Brian Ruiz >> > > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 11:04 PM >> > > To: UUC Digest >> > > Subject: [UUC] E36 left/right rear ride height >> > > >> > > >> > > Hi all, >> > > I have the Bilstein sport/H&R sport setup on >> my 93 >> > > 325, and I just noticed a couple days ago that >> the >> > > ride height on the right side of the car, >> specifically >> > > the rear, is noticeably lower than on the left. >> It >> > > seems to be lower on the right in front too, but >> the >> > > pics I took of it don't seem to show much of a >> > > difference. I had heard something about it >> being >> > > designed that way to compensate for driver >> weight on >> > > the left side, but this seems to be too much of >> a >> > > difference (to me anyway) that it would be >> designed >> > > that way. >> > >> > Search the >> >ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > >> > >> >__________________________________________________________________________ >> > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, >> founder of the BMW CCA. >> > >> > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and >> home of the Ultimate >> > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >> > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com >> > >> >> >> >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.708 / Virus Database: 464 - Release Date: 06/18/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.708 / Virus Database: 464 - Release Date: 06/18/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 13:44:08 -0500 From: "Dave Swingle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: E36 Clutch Linkage Spring Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> E36 M3 - 1999 Just having installed the UUC clutch stop and pedal bushings (A huge improvement by the way, but the bushing instructions could really stand to be re-written). After wrestling with the pedal spring, (I did get it in after much grief and swear words) I was wondering if there was any reason not to just leave it out. I fact, I removed a similar spring on my kid's Subaru because it made the clutch very difficult to modulate. I'm tempted to do the same thing on this one and was wondering if there was any good reason not to. As far as I can tell the purpose of the sping is to provide an assist of sorts when holding the pedal to the floor. i.e. make it easier. It also masks the real feel of the clutch. It's also a horrendous pain in the neck to install (at least the first time!). Dave Swingle ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(9 messages) **********
