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  Re: <E36> Help! Coolant Everywhere (fwd)
  Re: <E36> Help! Coolant Everywhere (fwd)
  Re: <E30> Timing Belt
  [E46] Thule roof rack for sale
  Re: twin spooled BMW diesel
  E46 Trailer hitch for sale
  Re: <E30> Timing Belt
  Re: <E30> Timing Belt

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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:04:21 -0400
From: "bill matthews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: <E36> Help! Coolant Everywhere (fwd)
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

In the snow
Uphill both ways

Bill Matthews
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Derian
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:32 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [UUC] <E36> Help! Coolant Everywhere (fwd)
> 
> We walked to the local parts store.
> Gary Derian
> 
> > How did we EVER survive without the internet and overnight 
> shipping.......
> >
> > - k
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:32:31 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: <E36> Help! Coolant Everywhere (fwd)
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


And then prayed the parts guy didn't give us the wrong part...... otherwise
it was the long walk back to the parts place (in the rain).


>Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:56:30 -0400
>From: "Jason Kay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: <E36> Help! Coolant Everywhere (fwd)
>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>And prayed that they had the part in stock.

>-Jason
>'86 951 "Sparky"
>'70 240Z "Dusty"
>'03 325xi "Daisy"
>'06 Mini CooperS "George"


> > We walked to the local parts store.
> > Gary Derian

> > > How did we EVER survive without the internet and overnight
shipping.......







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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:27:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Craven)
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: <E30> Timing Belt
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>From Paul Craven
>
>Hi all,
>I am looking at rescuing an E30 convertible that has a broken timing
>belt.  I know this is an interference engine, but the seller thinks that
>if the belt broke at low rpm or during start-up, the valves may not be
>bent.  Is this possible or is a broken belt a guarantee of bent valves?
>Also, the car has 150k miles would it be reasonable to just repair the
>head or should the whole motor be done?
>

I have (thankfully) never had to deal with a broken timing belt on an M20
engine, but I have installed one incorrectly. I accidentally managed to get
the belt off by about two or three teeth and was only able to turn the 
engine about 1/3 of a revolution in either direction before I felt the 
pistons touch a valve. I got the belt on right and all was well. This tells
me that there is remarkably little clearance in there. If the belt broke you
have almost certainly bent at least some valves at the minimum. If it broke
while cranking, I would think there is a possibility that you would only
have to replace the valves. If at idle, I would be worried about the guides
as well. If off idle, well, I haven't heard any happy stories there.

I don't think there is really any way to know what you have to do until you
get in there an have a look... maybe pull the plugs and poke around to look
for broken bits loose in the cylinder. If you find them, the odds of a
simple "replace valves" repair are about zero and the odds of a cracked
cylinder head go way up. I wonder if you could somehow get a camera or some
other optics in there and have a look. I don't even know if it would be
worth it.

Is this an 'e' or an 'i' engine? I find that 'i' engines are harder to find
than the 'e' engines. That might have a lot to do with the feasibility of
repair and or method of repair. You might be able to grab an entire head out
of a salvage yard cheap and go that way, or you may end up having to rebuild
the head you have, provided it isn't cracked.

-- Joe

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Joseph M. Krzeszewski                Network Operations and Security
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:25:28 +0000
From: Gilbert Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: [E46] Thule roof rack for sale
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Subject says most of it. Thule 753 roof rack that fits E46 sedan/coupe. (May 
fit E39 according to Thule website.) Comes with mounting hardware. Does not 
come with any bike/ski accessories. In very good condition. Rack is located in 
Seattle. You pay shipping.

New rack retails for $215, asking $95. For pics see: 
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/pts/454827372.html

Gilbert
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:42:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: TREY PORA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: twin spooled BMW diesel
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Howdy Folks:

phil :  dunno if you came across this -  I will share
in case and for those interested :
http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_2544/article.html

Good job chain drive -  this cast iron  block  @ 228
kilo -  imagine what the weight will shed when
aluminum - only thing I wonder -  how will those
prices you mention change once it comes here ? 
Piezoelectric injectors -  I see Delphi will be
offering a version to match Bosch 

On another site some of the comments were interesting
-  Funny how we here on this side of the pond only
think " truck /tractor " when we say diesel -  Once
people grasp that a diesel can be on par with a petrol
engines performance , more acceptance will be seen - 
even embrace-  Fuel cost will continue to rise - many
dont want to give up size and capabilities accustomed
-  Perhaps the industry here took big hits -  i.e.
Touareg /V10Tdi -  2006 5 state compliant , 2007 model
45 state compliant -  prety much same with Mercedes - 
i enjoyed the mid 80's when a  diesel /turbo diesel
could be had in many passanger cars -  Mercedes w123-
years 78-85 - best selling diesel passenger car made
to date -  I have a Renault turbo diesel J8s engine
standard in an 85 jeep Cherokee-  get offers on it all
the time  

people will get behind it faster when they are forced
to 

Cheers:

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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:16:12 -0400
From: Matt Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: E46 Trailer hitch for sale
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I have an E46 trailer hitch I bought two years ago and never installed. It 
was Andy Basham's. $200 plus shipping from Connecticut.

Matt Murray

Mobile 203. 856 .3703
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:55:02 -0400
From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: <E30> Timing Belt
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

This may or may not apply directly to a 6-cylinder E30, but years ago my
sister's early '90's 4-cylinder VW GTI broke its timing belt and sustained
no engine damage.  The belt failure occurred at startup or very shortly
thereafter.  The mechanic that fixed the vehicle was surprised.  Whether it
is also possible for an E30 to escape damage I do not know; but, clearly it
would be unusual.

Stan


> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:53:26 -0400
> From: KMS- Brett Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> The difference between the belt breaking at low rpm and high rpm is the
> amount of damage.  low rpm means it "only" needs 6 or 8 valves.
> Breaking at high rpm means it needs an engine.
>
> Brett Anderson
> KMS
>
>
> Paul Craven wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > I am looking at rescuing an E30 convertible that has a broken timing
> > belt.  I know this is an interference engine, but the seller thinks that
> > if the belt broke at low rpm or during start-up, the valves may not be
> > bent.  Is this possible or is a broken belt a guarantee of bent valves?
> > Also, the car has 150k miles would it be reasonable to just repair the
> > head or should the whole motor be done?


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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:14:35 -0500
From: "Bill Proud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: <E30> Timing Belt
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hey guys , Lets not beat this long-dead horse to a pulp .

THE facts are as Brett stated .....it is ONLY a matter of degree ......if 
the belt breaks on an E30 there WILL be damage .

The ONLY M20 motor I ever saw where that was NOT the case is in a 323i turbo 
I own which has Schnitzer-made low compression pistons with valve cutouts in 
them .and a KKK turbo and goes like stink and needs the extra gas tank in 
the trunk .

Beepee
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [UUC] <E30> Timing Belt


> This may or may not apply directly to a 6-cylinder E30, but years ago my
> sister's early '90's 4-cylinder VW GTI broke its timing belt and sustained
> no engine damage.  The belt failure occurred at startup or very shortly
> thereafter.  The mechanic that fixed the vehicle was surprised.  Whether 
> it
> is also possible for an E30 to escape damage I do not know; but, clearly 
> it
> would be unusual.
>
> Stan
>
>
>> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:53:26 -0400
>> From: KMS- Brett Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> The difference between the belt breaking at low rpm and high rpm is the
>> amount of damage.  low rpm means it "only" needs 6 or 8 valves.
>> Breaking at high rpm means it needs an engine.
>>
>> Brett Anderson
>> KMS
>>
>>
>> Paul Craven wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> > I am looking at rescuing an E30 convertible that has a broken timing
>> > belt.  I know this is an interference engine, but the seller thinks 
>> > that
>> > if the belt broke at low rpm or during start-up, the valves may not be
>> > bent.  Is this possible or is a broken belt a guarantee of bent valves?
>> > Also, the car has 150k miles would it be reasonable to just repair the
>> > head or should the whole motor be done?
>
> Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
> In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA.
>
> UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate
> Short Shifter - accept no substitutes!
> 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com 


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