The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 620 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: <E36> Idle PS1 and PS2 mix and match? Re: PS1 and PS2 mix and match? Re: PS1 and PS2 mix and match? Re: PS1 and PS2 mix and match? Re: PS1 and PS2 mix and match? WTB: E46 3 spoke sport steering wheel Re: WTB: E46 3 spoke sport steering wheel
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:40:58 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E36> Idle Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ding ding ding........... and the winner is Gary and Bret. A Peake scan shows TPS failure code. I'll replace it as soon as I can get one in. I did open the current part and found that the wiper arms are a little "frayed". They're composed of individual fine wires in parallel and bent to form a "v" at the contact point. Some of the wires are bent out of shape. After a cleaning up of the film resistor material and wiper arms with contact cleaner the car idles at the right level (950rpm) but now the ASC light comes on and the severe on again off again feel of the throttle is still there. Bentley shows a signal path from the ASC module to the ECU so I suspect there's a connection to the TPS failure and the ASC light. Hard to believe after only 56k miles that this simple potentiometer has failed. It's a pretty simple part. -Kevin ---------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail communication is confidential and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by replying to the e-mail. Please then delete the e-mail and any copies of it. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:12:56 -0500 From: johngrills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: PS1 and PS2 mix and match? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gruppe: Just put the Pilot Alpins and spare wheels (such a luxury!) on the 98 M3/4, so now of course it will not snow. What a nice quiet solid tire this is...pleasantly surprised. I think I might not really like the staggered setup on this car. It'll hopefully allow those RTABs to last until spring. Also fixed an annoying rattle from right rear...thought it was emergency brake pads gone south. Turned out to be a loose brake cable. Easy fix to an annoying noise. The staggered PS1's I have are in need of 2 new rears (245-40/17) and I thought I'd start looking for some deals on old summer rubber. Tirerack still stocks PS1s ($213) in this fitment, but I've heard all this buzz about the PS2s ($218) so I thought I'd ask this gruppe before talking to vendors...is it wise to mix PS1s and PS2s? esp in staggered setups? The fronts have alot left in them and I'd hate to delegate them to the spare-tire mountain in the garage. How many spares to I need? I've already got a set of crappy PZero Nero A/S on the stack...I should have just tossed them. What a lousy tire that was! Of course, if someone happened to have a set of Kosei K1 17x8.5s hanging around, I will have solved all these issues! cheers! John Grills NCC-BMWCCA 98 M3/4 (117k) 91 318is (still broke...again) 88 M3 (ready for the garage, but there's too many tires in there!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:22:27 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "johngrills" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: PS1 and PS2 mix and match? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So far, I like my PZero Nero tires. You can mix PS1 and PS2 tires. In general, as long as the better tire is on the rear, you will have stable handling. Gary Derian > The staggered PS1's I have are in need of 2 new rears (245-40/17) and I > thought I'd start looking for some deals on old summer rubber. Tirerack > still stocks PS1s ($213) in this fitment, but I've heard all this buzz > about the PS2s ($218) so I thought I'd ask this gruppe before talking to > vendors...is it wise to mix PS1s and PS2s? esp in staggered setups? The > fronts have alot left in them and I'd hate to delegate them to the > spare-tire mountain in the garage. How many spares to I need? I've already > got a set of crappy PZero Nero A/S on the stack...I should have just > tossed them. What a lousy tire that was! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:56:03 -0500 From: johngrills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected] Cc: "'Gary Derian'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: PS1 and PS2 mix and match? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dennis/GD, Thanks for the input. Did you also have a staggered setup? GD, did you have the M+S PZero Neros or the Summer tire? I've heard the difference is night and day. As a wise man once said; All Season tires just means they don't work well in ANY season. Was that Satch? Now I'm leaning towards suck it up and put Toyo T1Rs all around...I am not a fan of twitchy handling, perceived or other. r/jpg Dennis Liu wrote: > John - the answer is "sort of". Some PS1 games will play on the PS2, but > not vice versa. > > Oh wait... my bad. :-) > > Kidding aside, the answer is still "sort of". I'll partially agree with > Gary, in that having the newer tire on the rear WILL make the car more > stable. BUT, mixing the tires will nevertheless result in flaky, non-ideal > handling. EVEN IF you mixed the exact same brand/model! > > That's because tire performance changes dramatically as they age, even > without a lot of mileage sometimes (e.g., six year old rubber with only 10k > miles on them). You don't notice, of course, because the age and mileage of > all four are the same, even if you're putting a lot more wear on the rear. > > When you put new rear tires on, you *will* notice a difference, and you'll > end up hating it, driving a nice handling car like your Bimmer. If it were > a Grand Marquis, you may not notice, but I'll wager you do notice. > > I'm among the cheapest guys on the face of the planet, and I did exactly > what you're contemplating, on my 355 a few years back. New PS2 in the back > to match the PS1s up front. Mounted them, then took off for Montreal for > the Canadian GP. When I hit the highway, I was convinced that I forgot to > set correct pressures. Stopped, checked, they were fine. Started driving > again, and the car felt like it was about to snap spin every where, even > doing 65 mph on the highway. It didn't, of course, but the car felt nervous > and terrible. Got home, and mounted new front tires, and the car handled > like new again. > > Others I know have tried the same, even with the same brand/model, and had > the same results. > > If you're looking to save some bucks, consider replacing all four with less > expensive tires - e.g., Toyos, Kumhos, or other stuff you might find on sale > at Tire Rack. FWIW, the original PS is now fairly old technology, and I > would definitely not buy them at this date. > > vty, > > --Dennis > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Derian > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:22 AM > To: johngrills; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [UUC] PS1 and PS2 mix and match? > > So far, I like my PZero Nero tires. You can mix PS1 and PS2 tires. In > general, as long as the better tire is on the rear, you will have stable > handling. > Gary Derian > > >> The staggered PS1's I have are in need of 2 new rears (245-40/17) and I >> thought I'd start looking for some deals on old summer rubber. Tirerack >> still stocks PS1s ($213) in this fitment, but I've heard all this buzz >> about the PS2s ($218) so I thought I'd ask this gruppe before talking to >> vendors...is it wise to mix PS1s and PS2s? esp in staggered setups? The >> fronts have alot left in them and I'd hate to delegate them to the >> spare-tire mountain in the garage. How many spares to I need? I've already >> > > >> got a set of crappy PZero Nero A/S on the stack...I should have just >> tossed them. What a lousy tire that was! >> > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:31:13 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "johngrills" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: PS1 and PS2 mix and match? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All season. I just cruise around mostly, and dive bomb the occasional grandmother on freeway ramps. They have great traction in bad weather. Certainly dedicated winter tire are better in the winter, and dedicated summer tires geip and handle better on the track. Gary Derian > GD, did you have the M+S PZero Neros or the Summer tire? I've heard the > difference is night and day. As a wise man once said; All Season tires > just means they don't work well in ANY season. Was that Satch? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:46:16 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: PS1 and PS2 mix and match? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All True, Dennis. You may have been able to tweak the F355 handling with adjustments to tire inflation pressure. Gary Derian > John - the answer is "sort of". Some PS1 games will play on the PS2, but > not vice versa. > > Oh wait... my bad. :-) > > Kidding aside, the answer is still "sort of". I'll partially agree with > Gary, in that having the newer tire on the rear WILL make the car more > stable. BUT, mixing the tires will nevertheless result in flaky, > non-ideal > handling. EVEN IF you mixed the exact same brand/model! > > That's because tire performance changes dramatically as they age, even > without a lot of mileage sometimes (e.g., six year old rubber with only > 10k > miles on them). You don't notice, of course, because the age and mileage > of > all four are the same, even if you're putting a lot more wear on the rear. > > When you put new rear tires on, you *will* notice a difference, and you'll > end up hating it, driving a nice handling car like your Bimmer. If it > were > a Grand Marquis, you may not notice, but I'll wager you do notice. > > I'm among the cheapest guys on the face of the planet, and I did exactly > what you're contemplating, on my 355 a few years back. New PS2 in the > back > to match the PS1s up front. Mounted them, then took off for Montreal for > the Canadian GP. When I hit the highway, I was convinced that I forgot to > set correct pressures. Stopped, checked, they were fine. Started driving > again, and the car felt like it was about to snap spin every where, even > doing 65 mph on the highway. It didn't, of course, but the car felt > nervous > and terrible. Got home, and mounted new front tires, and the car handled > like new again. > > Others I know have tried the same, even with the same brand/model, and had > the same results. > > If you're looking to save some bucks, consider replacing all four with > less > expensive tires - e.g., Toyos, Kumhos, or other stuff you might find on > sale > at Tire Rack. FWIW, the original PS is now fairly old technology, and I > would definitely not buy them at this date. > > vty, > > --Dennis > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Derian > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:22 AM > To: johngrills; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [UUC] PS1 and PS2 mix and match? > > So far, I like my PZero Nero tires. You can mix PS1 and PS2 tires. In > general, as long as the better tire is on the rear, you will have stable > handling. > Gary Derian > >> The staggered PS1's I have are in need of 2 new rears (245-40/17) and I >> thought I'd start looking for some deals on old summer rubber. Tirerack >> still stocks PS1s ($213) in this fitment, but I've heard all this buzz >> about the PS2s ($218) so I thought I'd ask this gruppe before talking to >> vendors...is it wise to mix PS1s and PS2s? esp in staggered setups? The >> fronts have alot left in them and I'd hate to delegate them to the >> spare-tire mountain in the garage. How many spares to I need? I've >> already > >> got a set of crappy PZero Nero A/S on the stack...I should have just >> tossed them. What a lousy tire that was! > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:49:45 -0500 From: "Jack - Elephant Motorsports" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'UUC Digest'" <[email protected]> Subject: WTB: E46 3 spoke sport steering wheel Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I would like to find a 3 spoke sport steering wheel for my '99 323i (E46) to replace the 4 spoke style. I know there are several 3 spoke varieties, the one I'm looking for is the type found on the earlier E46's, like '99-'00. I think after that is when there were a few different versions. Anyway, hopefully that is clear enough. If you have one - oh, and I need to retain a functional air bag - please let me know condition/price. Thanks. Jack Money '88 M3 Racecar '99 323i DD#1 '98 740i DD#2 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:31:12 -0500 From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Jack - Elephant Motorsports <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'UUC Digest'" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: WTB: E46 3 spoke sport steering wheel Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> beware the circa 2002 e46 three spoke wheel. looks nice, but has an "edge" on the face of the rim toword the driver. extremely uncomfortable to hold on to. try before you buy!!!! ---- Jack - Elephant Motorsports <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would like to find a 3 spoke sport steering wheel for my '99 323i (E46) to > replace the 4 spoke style. I know there are several 3 spoke varieties, the > one I'm looking for is the type found on the earlier E46's, like '99-'00. I > think after that is when there were a few different versions. Anyway, > hopefully that is clear enough. If you have one - oh, and I need to retain > a functional air bag - please let me know condition/price. Thanks. > > Jack Money > '88 M3 Racecar > '99 323i DD#1 > '98 740i DD#2 > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(8 messages) **********
