---- Original Message ------
From: "Carol Pearson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Keyweb and Internet Explorer
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:36:07 +0100
Terri,
Keyweb confused me quite a bit at first and I didn't think too
much to it,
but then suddenly I got the hang of things and found (whilst I
was without
my computer for several weeks) I just got sailing along, forgot
about the
differences and managed to do what I wanted to do. I suggest you
read the
chapter in the manual on Keyweb and then notice the various signs
you come
across and where your cursor is placed, for example, in an edit
box. I have
certainly managed to shop with it OK. I think you really just
need to work
on the various commands and try them out on a few of the WEB
pages you know
well.
HTH:
--
Carol
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "BrailleNote List" <[email protected]
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:58 AM
Subject: [Braillenote] Keyweb and Internet Explorer
Dear List,
I have been using Keyweb for the past several days because I was
not home
and I didn't have access to my PC. Most of the time, I surf the
web using
my PC with Internet Explorer and WindowEyes for my screen
reader. I'm not
the best web-surfer and I haven't had as much experience with
Keyweb as
some
of you but I have noticed some differences.
1. The web pages load faster using Keyweb, but they look
totally alien to
me. For one thing, the braille displays links, edit boxes,
frames and
tables buttons and dialog boxes appear differently. I suppose
this must
be
because HumanWare decided to use different symbols and
abbreviations than
GW
Micro does. I suppose people who use the shark have learned yet
another
set
of braille symbols and abbreviations. Although I think Keysoft
is usually
intuitive, I find Keyweb not to be so intuitive with its symbols
and
abbreviations. It's too bad there aren't a standard set of
symbols and
abbreviations for all braille displays.
2. I don't know if it's just me, but I have noticed web pages
on the PC
have more details than web pages on the BN. For example, let's
take the
www.amazon site. I don't remember seeing a special link for
screen
readers
when I looked at it using the BN, but the link jumped out at me
when I
used
the PC. I also found it harder to search for an item using the
BN than
using the PC.
3. The layout of the web pages seems different. On the BN, the
text goes
across the line with lots of space between columns. I find this
extra
space
to be annoying. But on the PC, the columns are laid out
vertically and
the
lines are shorter. The BN occasionally gives details about the
web page,
but WindowEyes always gives details like: "11 tables, x amout of
rows, x
columns x frames and x headings and x subheadings." It also
tells me when
I'm starting to look at a new table, but the BN doesn't. Since
I can't
tell
where one table ends and the next begins, I can't jump from one
table to
the
next.
4. If a site, like Google, has an edit box, WindowEyes will
automatically
jump to the edit box but the BN always places me at the top of
the page
and
I have to wade through the links to find the edit box. Also,
when I go
back
and forth between web pages, WindowEyes remembers where I left
off but the
BN doesn't.
5. This difference has been mentioned before, but I can't
understand why
it
exists. I'm referring to the fact that Windows on my PC will
remember my
username and password when I go to certain web sites but the BN
won't.
Also, I'm more certain to have trouble typing in my username and
password
and having the site recognize it when I use the BN. This is
annoying,
especially when I want to use a "quickcheckout" or "1-click
purchase" at
an
online store. In fact, I couldn't even checkout with one
store--I had to
phone in my order. But previously, I had been able to set up an
account
and
checkout using my PC. If I had had a PC at my location, I could
have
placed
the order online.
6. The BN shows everything in one grade of braille. This is
fine except
(1) when I'm looking at a URL or email address and (2) when I
write in an
edit box. I can't even route the cursor to the computereze and
see the
URL
or email address in computer braille like I can when I'm using
Keymail.
WindowEyes, on the other hand, will always show anything under
the cursor
to
be in computer braille. Is there a way to route the BN's cursor
to an
item
without accessing a link?
Can someone explain why Keyweb and the BN behaves differently
from the PC
and WindowEyes? Does it have to do with the platform, (Windows
CE versus
Windows XP) and the methods of interpreting the web sites?
Thanks for any insight.
Terri, Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign
AAT9PX,
California
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