Hi Alan, You have really gotten me very excited and interested when you discussed writing Braille Music on the BrailleNote. In the past when I was using an MSDOS computer I tried severl Music writing programs and they were so complicated that I finally gave them up. Where would I go to find out more about this subject. I would be indebted to you for any information of this type. Eugenio
> ----- Original Message ----- >From: "FunGuy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] >Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:48:54 -0800 >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files >Eugene: >If you want to create Braille Music for embossing on a Braille printer, it's >a simple matter of writing in grade 0 or ASCII Braille. If you want to >convert Braille music to print you can still create it on the Braille Note >but then send it to a program like Dancing Dots on a PC. I don't know if >Dancing Dots has Braille music to print music translator, but that's beyond >the point of this message. >When Richard mentioned using a Braille Note and formatting and Duxbury I >think the issue was that there were to many elements in the equation so to >speak. >I don't mean to split hairs or start an argument here, but Duxbury was not >designed for music at all and shouldn't even be raised in a discussion of >Braille music notation. >If you want to write song lyrics in grade 2, back translate them and use the >block command to paste them in to the ASCII Braille file. >The formatter in the Braille Note may seem unpredictable, but you can easily >tame it if you will take the time and energy to master it; if you are >sending Braille music notation to a Braille embosser it's really just a >matter of trial and error. If you want to convert Braille music to print >notation I'd suggest that the PC is the only platform that should even be >considered for that task. >The Braille Note software is an excellent tool, but you cant screw a screw >in with a hammer. I think this is a case of needing to think clearly about >the task and the tools available. This is a case of mastering the little >bitty details; if you don't want to go to all that effort I don't blame >you-but perhaps this post will help you break the task in to achievable baby >steppes. >Alan Holst >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Eugene Manfrini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] >Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:52 PM >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files >> Hi Terri, >> I'm very curious to know since I am a musician and composer; you or >> someone couldn't have created the music you mentioned from the >> BrailleNote, am I right? If you did that would be fantastic. >> Eugenio >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] >>>Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:21:20 -0800 >>>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files >>>I have heard that this problem occurs with all notetakers, not just the >>>BN. >>>The reason is the work processors in the notetakers don't generate hard >>>line >>>returns which can be read by other programs. To get around this, a person >>>must put the hard returns in manually. >>>If your file has both music and words in it with a line of words followed >>>by >>>a line of music, then the file should import into DBT correctly, because >>>there are manual hard returns in the file. >>>Also, when you open a file which has both music and words in it like I >>>described above, be sure to open the file in line format and save it in >>>line >>>format when you close the file. >>>Terri Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Richard Ring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] >>>Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 12:26 PM >>>Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files >>>> The question you should be asking is this: >>>> How do files created using Duxbury work on the Braillenote? And, how do >>>> files created using a Braillenote work when using Duxbury. >>>> The translator is not the issue. The issue is Keyword. If you create a >>>> .brf file using Duxbury, you will be able to read it just fine using the >>>> Braillenote. However, if you create a .brf file using the Braillenote >>>> and import it into Duxbury, your results can be quite frightening. One >>>> of my co-workers used the Braillenote to transcribe some music into >>>> Braille. When she brought it into Duxbury, it was a disaster. She >>>> described it to me like this: "it was a 20 page word!" no line breaks, >>>> no indication as to where anything began or ended. >>>> I am not advocating any note taker over another, but if the primary >>>> purpose for purchasing a note taker is that you are going to use it to >>>> create files which can subsequently be embossed using Duxbury you will >>>> have your work cut out for you. >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of FunGuy >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 8:10 AM >>>> To: Braillenote List >>>> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files >>>> Hi Rick: >>>> Terrific question! Let me start by saying that my bias is toward a >>>> member of >>>> the Braille Note family for your school district. There are several >>>> good >>>> reasons which I will list and I will also suggest some questions you >>>> might >>>> pose to vendors and others knowledgeable in the field. >>>> First, at this time, the Braille Note family has the largest installed >>>> base >>>> by far! That matters because bug fixes and good support are dependant >>>> on >>>> the size of the population a company like this serves. >>>> Second, I believe you will find that the Braille translator used in the >>>> Braille Note family is Duxbury. I know that this is not the Translator >>>> used >>>> in the PacMate. In fact, this would be a serious concern were I making >>>> this >>>> purchase for school children. Why the PacMate uses a different >>>> translator >>>> is beyond the scope of this message, but as a pure bases of comparison, >>>> this >>>> may be enough of a concern to rule out the PacMate. >>>> Third, the premise of the PacMate is using commercial software. What >>>> Freedom Scientific doesn't address well is who will pay for the cost of >>>> developing the set files(scripts) for the commercial software. Believe >>>> me, >>>> that is no small matter so that piece of the argument in favor of the >>>> PacMate is mute to say the least and disingenuous to say the most. If >>>> you >>>> accept this point, I would once again remind you of my first point about >>>> the >>>> size of the installed base. >>>> Fourth, the Braille Note family uses a token system to indicate print >>>> formatting. As a life time Braille reader, I can tell you that this is >>>> by >>>> far the best system for relating to print formatting. >>>> Now for some questions you might ask to further clarify the issues. >>>> Rather >>>> then asking if the files can be transferred (I'm sure they can with all >>>> 3) I'd >>>> ask how the print format information is conveyed to the Braille reader. >>>> I >>>> think you will find that the token system in the Braille Note family is >>>> the >>>> best by far. >>>> Hardware is a big deal! It is also a matter of personal taste. I hope >>>> you >>>> are buying units with a Braille display. If so, you might just want to >>>> ask >>>> a few of the potential users which display seems most natural and >>>> comfortable. I would caution you in that regard that a display that is >>>> refreshed by pressing router buttons in a location where they can easily >>>> be >>>> confused with other buttons is a recipe for trouble. It will slow down >>>> Braille reading particularly in young people. >>>> Finally, I would look at the history of manufacturers in terms of >>>> cannibalizing there own products by forcing customers to buy new >>>> hardware by >>>> unnecessarily obsoleteing the old hardware. This will hurt your >>>> district >>>> in the long run. I trust something here is helpful. >>>> Alan Holst >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Rick Boggess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> To: "'Braillenote List'" <[email protected] >>>> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 4:54 PM >>>> Subject: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files >>>>>I am sorry for the earlier message which I forgot to edit to reflect >>>> the >>>>> appropriate product name. The message should have read as follows; >>>>> I'm looking at notetakers for our school system. I would appreciate >>>>> hearing >>>>> from those with experience transferring Word and Duxbury files to and >>>> from >>>>> the BrailleNote. Is this possibel? Does formatting remain in tact? >>>>> Rick Boggess >>>>> -- >>>>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>> Version: 7.0.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.4/563 - Release Date: >>>> 12/2/2006 >>>>> ___ >>>>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>> ___ >>>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>> ___ >>>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>> __________ NOD32 1902 (20061205) Information __________ >>>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>___ >>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >> ___ >> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote
