I am guessing that there is corrosion or mineral build up on the plunger, part E and or F.
You can take that apart without removing the valve body (F) from the machine. It may or may not work and if does I can't tell for how long. Todd On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Benjamin McCafferty <[email protected]> wrote: > I don’t recall specifically because I have done so much on my machine over > the years. But I do see that you already have the part out, so never mind. > > In your photo, parts C,D,E,F should constitute the new valve assembly. I > wasn’t aware you could buy just that without the black brick, but if so, go > for it. In my case, we suspected the magnet as well and so got the whole > thing. > > Take care, > bmc > > On May 17, 2017, at 08:02, Howard Griffin <[email protected]> wrote: > > Oh dear I was hoping I wouldn't have to remove any boilers. That sounds > pretty scary to me. > > Could you explain a little more about "support all tubing with a wrench > when loosening, i.e. use two wrenches on each connection"? Are there always > two nuts on every tubing connection? > > On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Howard Griffin <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I already had the black brick out of the machine. It has a hole through >> the middle after it is removed. It seems fairly easy to replace. What I am >> still unclear on is the rest of the valve: >> >> <image.png> >> ^ ^ ^ ^ >> ^ ^ >> A B C D >> E F >> >> >> What I removed and replaced were just the two components on the left >> (which I have labeled A and B): the nut and the black box with the yellow >> sticker. The other three components (C, D, E, and F) I did not remove. Do I >> have to replace all 6 parts? >> >> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Benjamin McCafferty <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I see Howard beat me to the punch. Replacing the solenoid just involves >>> removing the tubing and wiring from the black brick, and replacing with the >>> new one. Take photos and label wires if at all possible. The new unit will >>> need to have the tubing and so forth oriented to match the original; IIRC >>> one of the tubes will arrive 180 degrees opposite the needed config. There >>> is a nut that you can loosen to allow this change. >>> best, >>> bmc >>> >>> On May 17, 2017, at 07:07, Howard Griffin <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> That's what I was thinking. How do I replace the whole thing? I'm new to >>> Brewtus repairing, but I have found Todd's videos very helpful. >>> Unfortunately there's not one on how to replace the solenoid/fill valve. >>> >>> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 10:04 AM, herman dickens < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> The whole thing. It sounds like the valve is sticking. >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Howard Griffin < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Just the solenoid? Or the valve too? >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 10:01 AM, herman dickens < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Sounds like you need to replace the solenoid. >>>>>> >>>>>> Herman >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 9:59 AM, Howard Griffin < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think I have made some progress. I examined the fill sensor and it >>>>>>> seemed clean so I left it alone. I then proceeded to test the fill valve >>>>>>> solenoid as outlined in Todd's WLL video (beginning at 18:08 here: >>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIiLeRdVWAU). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I disconnected the fill sensor and the pump and switched the power >>>>>>> on and off to see if the solenoid clicked the valve open and shut. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I could not hear the solenoid clicking. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I took the solenoid off the valve and measured the resistance across >>>>>>> the solenoid with an ohm meter, getting a reading of 369 (see photo). In >>>>>>> his video Todd got a reading of 400, and I don't know if my lower >>>>>>> reading >>>>>>> of 369 indicates a problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Before re-coupling the solenoid to the valve I rewired it and tested >>>>>>> its magnetism with a screwdriver, and it seemed to have plenty of >>>>>>> magnetic >>>>>>> strength. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I reattached the solenoid to the valve and, lo and behold, the valve >>>>>>> started clicking again when power was applied! Even though all I had >>>>>>> done >>>>>>> was removed and reattached the solenoid to the valve. I put the machine >>>>>>> back together and it worked fine for the rest of the day. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The next morning the problem was back: the pump would not stop >>>>>>> running after powering up the machine. I did manage to finally get the >>>>>>> pump >>>>>>> to stop running after repeatedly turning the power on and off and >>>>>>> raising >>>>>>> and lowering the brew lever between power cycles (about 15 times before >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> pump went silent and the machine began to heat up). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What does this suggest? To this noobie it seems like the fill valve >>>>>>> may be sticking. If it needs to be cleaned or replaced, how do I do >>>>>>> that? I >>>>>>> can't find any instructional videos or guides for that. In his video, >>>>>>> Todd >>>>>>> simply says that if, after verifying that the solenoid is good, you're >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> getting water through the pump, then you have to take it apart and >>>>>>> clean it >>>>>>> out or replace it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for your help. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Ben McCafferty <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, that's the ground. Usually you can just clean it but no harm >>>>>>>> in replacing. >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> bmc >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 15, 2017, at 07:46, Howard Griffin <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes that makes sense. Thank you for the thorough and thoughtful >>>>>>>> explanation. I am committed to figuring this out and fixing it myself. >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> assume that the "ground probe" is this part:<level probe.jpeg>. When I >>>>>>>> ordered the new vacuum valve I also ordered this part too, but didn't >>>>>>>> install it after the machine started working again. So I guess my next >>>>>>>> step >>>>>>>> is to install the new probe. I will let you know how that goes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Benjamin McCafferty < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sorry, one more thing. If all of that fails, and if I’m correct on >>>>>>>>> the solenoid being fired by relay, there is a chance the relay is the >>>>>>>>> culprit, which means replacing the giemme controller (this did happen >>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>> mine also—both things failed eventually). I’d wait for someone else to >>>>>>>>> chime in with more knowledge than me (Todd, Ira, etc.) before >>>>>>>>> purchasing >>>>>>>>> the giemme. But, for reference, I think the giemme was about $75, the >>>>>>>>> solenoid maybe $100. So still very worthwhile repairs if the rest of >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> machine is doing well. >>>>>>>>> best, >>>>>>>>> bmc >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On May 15, 2017, at 07:12, Benjamin McCafferty <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hey Howard, >>>>>>>>> I think you’re mixing up a couple of causes/symptoms. Here’s what >>>>>>>>> happens (normally) when the machine comes on. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --It senses whether the steam boiler is full via the ground probe >>>>>>>>> that sticks into the top of the boiler (and can be adjusted up or >>>>>>>>> down, by >>>>>>>>> the way). >>>>>>>>> --If not, it opens the solenoid (via relay in the giemme >>>>>>>>> controller, I believe) and starts the pump, until the water in steam >>>>>>>>> boiler >>>>>>>>> reaches the ground probe. >>>>>>>>> --It then stops the pump and the solenoid closes. >>>>>>>>> --The pump is now available to push pressure on demand through the >>>>>>>>> brew boiler, which only happens when the lever is lifted to its top >>>>>>>>> position. >>>>>>>>> --The steam boiler heats first, and when it’s close to pressure, >>>>>>>>> the vacuum breaker you cleaned closes and makes a seal to let pressure >>>>>>>>> build. >>>>>>>>> --The brew boiler heats second, to a preset temperature. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now then, if you think about it, the vacuum breaker has nothing to >>>>>>>>> do with startup (it is not engaged until well after the problem you’re >>>>>>>>> having). So here’s what you check: >>>>>>>>> —Is the ground probe in the steam boiler connected and clean? >>>>>>>>> —If so, you would look to either a stuck solenoid or a >>>>>>>>> failing/failed pump. >>>>>>>>> —Since you are developing 10bar of pressure, and the pump won’t >>>>>>>>> quit, to me that says two things: >>>>>>>>> —First, your pump is working, i.e. developing pressure in the brew >>>>>>>>> boiler >>>>>>>>> —Second, the pump is trying to fill the steam boiler, and can’t >>>>>>>>> —Because of these two things, I’d bet dollars to doughnuts that >>>>>>>>> the solenoid is stuck, and so no water is reaching the >>>>>>>>> steam boiler, and so the solenoid never closes and shuts off the >>>>>>>>> pump. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Make sense? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, check the easy thing first (ground probe and wire, both ends), >>>>>>>>> and then move on to ordering a new solenoid and replacing it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Others may have additional thoughts, but I’ve been down this road >>>>>>>>> and it wasn’t this clear cut. The 10bar in the brew boiler is a dead >>>>>>>>> giveaway, in my opinion. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best of luck and keep us posted! >>>>>>>>> Ben/bmc >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On May 15, 2017, at 06:48, [email protected] wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I thought I had this problem solved after I took apart and cleaned >>>>>>>>> the vacuum relief valve. It worked fine for the past two week but now >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> issue has recurred. When I turned the machine on yesterday morning >>>>>>>>> the pump >>>>>>>>> began to run and the pressure went up to 10 bar. The pump would not >>>>>>>>> stop >>>>>>>>> running and the pressure remained at 10 bar. I turned it off and tried >>>>>>>>> starting it again several times thoughout the day but the behavior was >>>>>>>>> always the same: constantly buzzing pump and pressure at 10 bar. >>>>>>>>> Eventually >>>>>>>>> a high pitched squeal developed along with the pump noise and I >>>>>>>>> haven't >>>>>>>>> turned it on again for fear of burning out the pump or causing other >>>>>>>>> damage. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Any ideas? I have a brand new vacuum relief valve that I will >>>>>>>>> install tonight. If that doesn't help I'm stuck. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Howard >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 14:59, Howard Griffin <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have had my Brewtus III-V (vibration pump) for almost seven >>>>>>>>> years. Its usual behavior upon startup has been to buzz for a few >>>>>>>>> seconds >>>>>>>>> (5-10 seconds) and then start to heat up. The buzzing usually >>>>>>>>> terminates >>>>>>>>> with a very brief uptick in volume before stopping. A typographical >>>>>>>>> representation might look like this: [click on] rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrRRR >>>>>>>>> [noise >>>>>>>>> stops machine begins to heat up]. Sometimes there would be no buzzing >>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>> all upon turning it on and it would begin to heat up right away. This >>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> its normal behavior until recently. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now, when I turn it on the buzzing frequently goes on for a very >>>>>>>>> long time—up to three or four minutes before resolving in an uptick in >>>>>>>>> volume, like this: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [click on] rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr >>>>>>>>> rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr >>>>>>>>> rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrRRR [noise stops machine >>>>>>>>> begins to heat up]. Sometimes it still starts up with no noise and >>>>>>>>> begins >>>>>>>>> to heat up right away. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is something about to fail on the machine? 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