--- "J. van Baardwijk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> At 17:14 14-6-01 -0700, Dean Forster wrote:
>
> >Hee hee! My country's regulations can beat up your
> >country's (state's) regulations. I wasn't
> bragging, i
> >was stating fact. Are you really proud of the red
> >tape that law abiding citizens are put through?
> The
> >ability for a police officer to spot check you in
> your
> >home? good lord!
>
> Given the potential danger that results from people
> having guns in their
> house, yes, I think the red tape and checks by the
> police are a very good
> thing. The red tape makes sure that not everyone
> without a criminal record
> can get a gun, and the checks make it possible to
> enforce our gun laws.
>
Hey, to each his own. I'm not debating the policy of
the Nederlands because I'm quite ignorant of it.
>
> > > >Realistically, the only thing that you can
> > > >do to reduce gun violence is restrict law
> abiding
> > > >citizens from having them.
> > >
> > > No, you can reduce it by strict regulation,
> > > enforcing of those regulations,
> > > and severe punishments for violation of the
> > > regulations. Other countries
> > > allow their citizens to legally own guns, but
> don't
> > > have as much gun
> > > violence as the US has.
> > >
> >
> >You just agreed with me, you're restricting the
> rights
> >of law abiding citizens.
>
> I'm not completely agreeing with you. You state that
> you can only reduce
> gun violence by restricting law abiding citizens
> from having them. My point
> however is that you can reduce gun violence by
> *making it difficult* for
> law abiding citizens to get a gun.
>
wow, you are a marvel. For the sake of argument, what
specifically would you do?
>
> >And I made a point awhile ago about America and the
> >countries of Europe coming from very different
> angles
> >culturally. We're more violent across the board
> and
> >that is what needs to be dealt with. Youthful
> growing
> >pains. Putting all the dangerous things in the
> closet
> >isn't going to improve the situation appreciably,
> it's
> >going to make people angry because it's a needless
> >encroachment on their freedoms.
>
> Given the amount of gun violence in the US, it's
> obvious that if there is
> one country that needs much stricter gun control,
> it's the US.
>
You pretty much underscore all of my arguments about
personal responsibility. You assume the government
can fix whatever the problem of the week is without so
much as a moment of thought over the consequenses or
alternatives.
But i'm judging you by American standards, since
you're involving yourself in a debate about internal
American policy. Why don't you get a better point of
reference about this issue, read Marvin's, Dan's and
my posts, try and read the underpinnings of what we're
assuming. Then go to a good search engine and read
the first 25 topics you find when you do a search for
'2nd amendment'. I tried it on google and got a
pretty fair mix of pro and con.
Dean
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