--- "J. van Baardwijk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
<snippa lamma ding dong>
>
> I think I would do pretty much the same our
> legislators already did.
> Mandatory gun club membership, some kind of exam to
> prove you can handle
> guns responsibly, background checks, very strict
> regulations regarding
> carrying, transporting and storing guns and ammo,
> active enforcement(*) of
> gun laws, and severe penalties for violations (such
> as confiscation of gun
> and permit (neither to be returned in your
> lifetime), high fines and long
> prison sentences).
>
Ah, so pretty much go with New York's model for
combatting gun violence.
> (*) Active here meaning: go check on gun owners
> regularly to see if they
> play by the rules. This as opposed to passive
> enforcement: we'll assume you
> behave responsible, and only do something when we
> catch you shooting people.
Punish the people before they even think of violating
the law! I must ask you, how far would such a
government go in interfering in your life 10 years
down the road? 50?
> > > Given the amount of gun violence in the US, it's
> > > obvious that if there is
> > > one country that needs much stricter gun
> control,
> > > it's the US.
> > >
> >
> >You pretty much underscore all of my arguments
> about
> >personal responsibility. You assume the government
> >can fix whatever the problem of the week is without
> so
> >much as a moment of thought over the consequenses
> or
> >alternatives.
>
> I don't assume the government can fix any problem
> with the blink of an eye.
> I do believe though that it's the government's duty
> to do whatever it can
> to solve a problem. Sometimes, the consequence may
> be that you can't get
> everything you want (such as a gun) -- but if that's
> the price to pay for
> (in this case) minimizing gun violence, I'm happy
> with it.
>
> The rhetoric about "personal responsibility"
It's not just Dean babbling, it's the way the human
race needs to go if it's ever going to leave the
cradle. What sort of people founded my homeland?
Everyone who thinks it wasn't individualists raise
their hand.
is
> nice, but it doesn't work
> all that well in real life. With guns it's just like
> with cars. You can say
> that the government should be involved as little as
> possible, and that
> citizens themselves must take responsibility.
> Unfortunately, this is a
> utopian situation
I don't see it that way, but to progress towards a
system of government that will regulate away every
problem for you makes it strong and you weak. Hasn't
anyone other than myself read any classic sci fi? I
find that hard to believe that people can't take brave
new world, 1984, and farenheit 451 as warnings.
; both with guns and cars, there
> are way too many people
> who are not behaving responsibly. So, if some of the
> citizens can't be
> trusted with a gun or car, it's the government's
> duty to take measures to
> protect the population from those citizens, and
> those citizens from themselves.
>
>
> >Why don't you get a better point of
> >reference about this issue, read Marvin's, Dan's
> and
> >my posts, try and read the underpinnings of what
> we're
> >assuming.
>
> What makes you think I haven't read those posts? The
> fact that we disagree
> doesn't mean I'm not informed.
>
I apologize for being insulting, It just doesn't seem
that you've put much thought into the issue.
>
> >Then go to a good search engine and read
> >the first 25 topics you find when you do a search
> for
> >'2nd amendment'. I tried it on google and got a
> >pretty fair mix of pro and con.
>
> Um, I got a full-time job, I'm studying for my
> CompSci degree (in my own
> time, not on company time), and I have a spouse and
> a 6 days old child who
> both require attention. Thanks for the suggestion,
> but I really don't have
> that much spare time right now. Heck, I'm already
> having a hard time trying
> to keep up with listmail...
>
Try replying to every third message sent to it. i
think my fingers are going to fall off now. =)
Dean
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