At 12:10 PM 6/21/01 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I think I showed pretty conclusively that, barring an outrageous
revelation of treason
> or something similar that could not have been uncovered during
impeachment anyway
> due to the format of the trial, there was no way for the GOP to convict
Clinton -- and they
> had to know it. The GOP knows how to count votes as well as anyone.

Well, what I was looking for was maybe a quote from a prominent Republican
or other political analyst suggesting well before the GOP had committed to
impeachment that the votes would not be there in the Senate.

Right now, your argument basically amounts to:
The GOP had to know that the Democrats in the Senate were partisans, and
would therefore never go along with voting to convict Clinton, and would
instead pander to public opinion on this matter.  

Unfortunately, I think that a Republican who was acting on principle would
assume that on an issue of this much grave importance that the Senate
Democrats would be open to convincing on this issue.   

I don't think that you will find much evidence that the vote in the Senate
was lost until well after the Republicans had committed to impeachment, and
by then it was too late.

Unfortunately for me, I am at a disadvantage in that I cannot prove a
negative.   There is no evidence that I can possibly present to *prove*
that this calculation was not evident until the Republicans had already
committed themselves to impeachment.

I can, however, insist that the burden of proof is on you, as you are
presenting the more complex hypothesis - that the Republicans, for the most
part, were lying. 

JDG
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      We share a civilization. - George W. Bush, Warsaw, 06/15/01

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