At 12:39 3-9-01 -0400, John Giorgis ranted:
> >It was also the consensus of the experts that the Soviet Union would not
> >fall, and that Iraq would not invade Kuwait...
> >
> >I must agree with Doug here. If you want to use the possible possesion of
> >nuclear arms by any country as a reason for backing out of the ABM Treaty,
> >you must first supply proof that said country actually *does* have nuclear
> >weapons. The "consensus of foreign policy experts" does not qualify as
> >proof -- especially given their less-than-stellar track record (see above).
>
>Fine. There is no truth. Whatever we know about other countries could be
>true, but since we've been wrong before, it could also be wrong.
>
>Maybe Iraq *already* has ICBMs? After all, we've been wrong before.
>
>Maybe NMD will only cost $2. After all, we've been wrong before.
Yeah, and maybe tomorrow afternoon Europe will launch an all-out nuclear
attack against the US. The US does not believe that now, but they have been
wrong before.
Sheesh.
>In fact, maybe DPRK already has a nuclear bomb, and in fact, maybe
>Anchorage is already an irradiated crater? After all, we've been wrong
>before.
>
>In fact, Jeroen, how do we know anything? Can you prove to me that
>Anchorage hasn't been nuked already, and our foreign policy experts just
>missed it?
If your foreign policy experts (as well as your military) would not notice
one of their own cities being nuked, they deserve to be killed in the next
nuclear explosion.
Of course, this (ridiculous) question of yours can be answered in a very
simple way: call someone in Anchorage and ask.
> >It most certainly does not! If we allow this, the road is wide open for
> >every country to use any possible future event as a reason to arm
> >themselves to the teeth. The result: another arms race, another Cold War,
> >more chances of some idiot government getting so pissed at their neighbours
> >that they hit the <Launch> button. Not something I look forward to.
>
>Actually, that road is already open.
>
>In the end, there is not one damn thing you, or the Netherlands, or anybody
>else can do to keep us from trying to build a NMD.
Unless of course you need to get expertise and/or materials from abroad. Or
are willing to put up with economic boycotts. Or are willing to put up with
a few other ways we can show the US we are not pleased with them.
>Please, Jeroen, lets keep this discussion grounded in reality.
Given the tone of your post, I suggest you calm down first, before continuing.
>Then again, you seem to think that Saddam Hussein has a right to build
>nuclear weapons because the United Nations kicked him out of Kuwait
Sheesh. You really were not thinking rationally when you wrote your post,
were you? Where and when did I say that Saddam Hussein has a right to build
nuclear weapons because the UN kicked him out of Kuwait?
>, so I'm
>guessing that reality is not your strong suit. Not surprising for someone
>who just argued that foreign policy experts really don't know anything
>about other countries.
OK, that's it. Mr. Giorgis, if all you can do is throw insults around and
put words in my mouth, then I strongly suggest you keep your mouth shut. I
know you believe that the US is the very best country in the world and the
whole world should become like the US. I know you feel a resentment against
almost anyone who and anything that disagrees with your black-and-white
world view, but that is no excuse to behave the way you are doing now.
As they say in the USMC: shape up or ship out.
To avoid further escalation, I will no longer reply to any aggresive posts
from you. Do not bother to send any more rants/flames off-list either -- I
have set a filter that automatically deletes anything coming from you off-list.
Jeroen
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