On 15 Sep 2001, at 0:52, Trent Shipley wrote:
> > > Jordan has renounced its claim to the West Bank.
> >
> > Under international law, that dosn't matter much, since Israel never
> > formally annexed much of the West Bank and they were the last state
> > to hold it.
>
> Excuse me?!
>
> Your position then is that Israel does not have "title" to the post-67
> territories but gets to keep them anyway *because* the Hashimite
> Kingdom or Jordan renounced its territorial claim in favor of the
> stateless Palestinian nation in keeping with Arab League resolutions?
No, the lands are, under internation law, *occupied terratory* which
still belongs to Jordan. The palestian authority has NO official
existance under international law. Just becuase the *actual*
situation is very different dosn't change that.
> Can the Jordanian Monarch accept return of the West Bank territories
> and then directly transmit sovereignty to Palestinian representatives
> based on his own role as a sovereign?
If Israel renounce their occupation, yes.
> > > This was just before the Barak-Arafat talks broke down?
> >
> > Yes, Barak put the LOT on the table...it's doubyful he'd hve
> > survived an election given the amoutn of people he'd have annoyed
> > even if he HAD carried it off...
>
> You realize that this is close to saying that the leader made
> concessions but they were paper concessions because the Knessit would
> never ratify them anyway.
Oh, they'd have passed the KNESSET. But the Jewish PEOPLE
would have thrown him out at the next election, for signing such a
deal (which would, tho, remain in force).
> > Yes, they refused to admit a right to return, but they DID talk
> > compensation.
>
> You are dealing with Arabs. The delegation opposite needs to realize
> that recognition of the priciple is a point of honor. The Arab can
> then be magnanamous by agreeing to put aside their right in the
> interest of a peace settlement and accept monetary, territorial, or
> hydrological compensation in return for resting their rightful claim
> to return of real property.
Give an inch, they take a mile. That's from experience. If Israel
recognised the right to return, then we'd never have peace unless
the Paleastians GOT that right to return.
Andy
Dawn Falcon
