My memory might be wrong but the Jewish and Arab populations in Israel and 
the territories are of comparable magnitude with the Jewish population being 
somewhat larger.

The Zionists currently enjoy a kill ratio of better than six to one.  Deaths 
are numbers in scores for Israel, hundreds for Palestinians, and thousands 
for the US.

In statistical or epidimiological terms all the losses are non-trival but 
*very* low on the list of causes of death.  The *insult* to national pride 
and the sense of security is where the rational scholar looks not at the 
epidemiological cost.

Russia in WWII or France in WWI ... now *those* were epidemiologial disasters.


Look, I choose to discount the Zionist claim to some sort of 
incontrivertable, inalienable deed to a patch of dirt in Eurasia as so much 
myth and absurdly ancient history.

The Zionists had and have a program that required colonizing territory at the 
expense of a relatively strong and sophisticated indigenous Arab people.  
These sorts of colonial projects have been very successful when the 
colonizers resorted to genocide, ethnic cleansing, ethnocide by forced 
assimilation, or ethnic apartheid.

Israel has a few choices.

First cut the territories lose.  A treaty is nice but not necessary.  This 
will actually *increase* insecurity in Israel.  However, Israel will be able 
to characterize the acts as illegal inter-state agression.  Currently 
terrorism by the Palestinians is **legitimate** because it is an act of war 
in a campaign of national liberation against an infinitely stronger colonial 
and imperial force of occupation.  

Let me repeat that: ANY action by Palestinians is justified because they are 
legitimately in a war of national liberation against absurd odds.


Second, Israel could find an excuse to massacre *HUGE* numbers of 
Palestinians.  Repeated, this could be a viable method of genocide given the 
current geo-political disposition.

Third Israel could expel large numbers of Palestinians.  This would be best 
under cover of some international crisis.  "Unfortunately" the Palestinian 
community has learned from history and Israel will probably find it very 
difficult to get the indigenous population to abandon their domiciles.  
However, under *obscenely* heavy shelling they might have little choice.....  
This is the ethnic cleansing option.

Forced assimilation is probably not a viable option.  Not least because of 
Jewish squeemishness and scruples on this point.  A major problem with forced 
assimilation is that it has unpredictable effects on the occupier and not 
just the occupied.

Apartheid comes in several versions and was the status quo prior to Oslo.  
The Palestinians never did meekly accept their low caste status.  The 
consistent refusal of the Palestinian population to be duped into managing 
their own occupation means that the Israeli occupiers will need to always 
repress the indigenous population.  Repression is *never* eternal.  
Therefore, variations on apartheid simply are not viable over the long term.  
However, they seem to always be very attractive in the short term for Israel 
and the Zionist project.




On Monday 03 December 2001 22:52, you wrote:
> Dan M. wrote
> <snip>
> <<There is no parallel between the United States and AQ.>>
> But of course. Count percents. *We* have more dead.
> Ilana from Israel

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