----- Original Message ----- From: "Trent Shipley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Brin-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 12:28 AM Subject: Re: Tragedy in Israel
> My memory might be wrong but the Jewish and Arab populations in Israel and > the territories are of comparable magnitude with the Jewish population being > somewhat larger. > > The Zionists currently enjoy a kill ratio of better than six to one. Deaths > are numbers in scores for Israel, hundreds for Palestinians, and thousands > for the US. > > In statistical or epidimiological terms all the losses are non-trival but > *very* low on the list of causes of death. The *insult* to national pride > and the sense of security is where the rational scholar looks not at the > epidemiological cost. > > Russia in WWII or France in WWI ... now *those* were epidemiologial disasters. > > > Look, I choose to discount the Zionist claim to some sort of > incontrivertable, inalienable deed to a patch of dirt in Eurasia as so much > myth and absurdly ancient history. > Right, when something is inconvenient, simply posit that it doesn't exist or isn't important. Every year for about 1900 years, it was "Next year in Jerusalem. I am shocked that someone with your training dismisses something that is so important to defining a people. Especially, after they had a significant fraction of their worldwide number wiped out. BTW, every bit of information that I received, including information from Palistinian sources indicated that the Jewish population in the territories that were granted to them by the UN in 1948 was larger than the Arab population in that particular area. > The Zionists had and have a program that required colonizing territory at the > expense of a relatively strong and sophisticated indigenous Arab people. > These sorts of colonial projects have been very successful when the > colonizers resorted to genocide, ethnic cleansing, ethnocide by forced > assimilation, or ethnic apartheid. Can you give another example of colonialists where the people have defined themselves by the territory that they were colonializing for even 100 years prior to settlement? It disturbs me that this analysis tends to cut and fit data so that it fits a theoretical model rather than modify the theoretical model to fit the data. Dan M.
