At 09:45 28-12-01 -0800, Doug Pensinger wrote:

>Gautam's point, blithely ignored, was that borders in Europe have been 
>adjusted by the victors in past conflicts.

The key word here being "victors". At the end of the various European wars, 
there were victors and losers. Likewise, there will be victors and losers 
in the Middle East. The difference however is that unlike in Europe, the 
conflicts in the Middle East have not ended yet. Last I heard, Israel was 
still waging war. As long as a war is going on, there are no victors. 
Israel may have been victorious in battles, but the war is not over yet.


>Do you think France and Poland should adjust their borders to the way they 
>were before WWII, or are you holding Israel to a higher standard than the 
>rest of the world?

See above.

Besides, if we were to insist that countries like France and Poland should 
return land they ended up with after WWII, we would also have to insist 
that the US return all that land they conquered in the war against Mexico. 
IIRC, much if not all of Texas and a few other states used to belong to 
Mexico. Somehow, I do not think that is going to happen.


Jeroen

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