I got this from Gautam. Sorry about the Portuguese header, but I decided not to edit anything. Alberto
DATA: Quarta, 30 de janeiro de 2002, 09:53:08 -0200 DE: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PARA: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ASSUNTO: Re: Etiquette Alberto, For various bizarre reasons that I'm currently trying to resolve, I can't post to the list from work, so I'm responding to you off-list. I actually kind of want this to be on-list, so if you it's not a problem could you forward it to Brin-L? Thanks. GM I think it�s not the proper moment to criticize the _executor_ of the Etiquette rules. When these rules are posted [all the time], we all agree to them, either implicitly [with our silence] or explicitly [by making suggestions, such as removing the requirement to add the e-mail to the signature]. And JDG wasn�t banned, not as much as I was, when we violated those rules [and IMHO my breaking of the rules might be worse than his, because I did that on purpose, while he did because his fingers type faster than he thinks :-)] OTOH, if Etiquette-violators like me and JDG [whose opinions are respected, and who few people would really like to make us shut up] aren�t punished in public [and I hated when Jeroen did that to me, as I told him in the chat room] on what basis we can ask the list moderators to punish trolls? Or do you *really* want a brin-l list with unmoderated free speech? Alberto Monteiro Me: First, I'm criticizing not the executor (well, a little bit, I guess) but the execution. JDG really didn't do anything that bad. If all caps posting ticks you off that much - grow up. And delete it, I guess. If _Nick and I_ can resolve something with mutual apologies, anybody can. For an absentee list-owner to abruptly step in with a context free admonition of one of the list's most active and (imo) respected posters is simply wrong. Since it was clearly prompted by an argument with another list-owner, it smacks of intimidation. In answer to your final question I would say - it depends on what you mean. Brin-l is not open to _commercial_ speech, surely. That is a limitation on our freedom of speech that we have chosen to accept. But I would not accept, and would not participate in, a forum that demanded limitations on opinion speech. I picked where I went to _college_ based partly on that, I'm certainly not going to be in an internet discussion group that limits itself in such a way. If someone chooses to call Jeroen a Nazi, that's their business, and it's not okay to censor them for it. Ever. Etiquette is etiquette - one of the things that is implied by etiquette is that it is enforceable only through social sanction. No one arrests you for using the wrong fork. Banning someone from the list is not social sanction. So I'm going to maintain my previous stance on this. Gautam Mukunda
