On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 12:28:16PM -0600, The Fool wrote:

> Apt-get only updates packages that come with debian. 

All 3950 of them.

> And people call M$ bad for bundling middle ware with windows, but
> linux most linux distros do the same, with more middleware packages
> than microsoft does.

You are mistating the argument. Most people I have heard complain about
this are upset with Microsoft forcing certain software to be used, for
example, resellers who want to include Windows on their computer also
had to include other programs.

I don't know how familiar you are with Debian, but the Debian packages
are totally separate. You can install or not install any one that you
like. It is about choice, something that Microsoft likes to deny people
whenever possible.

> > > BS.  For every program written for linux there are several hundred
> > > written for windows.  In particular things like 'autoCAD', 'WinAMP',
> > > etc.
> > 
> > WinAMP is available for linux. It's called xmms.
> 
> But how many user made plugins are made for linux?

I've never counted. Here you go, knock yourself out, there are quite a
few: http://www.xmms.org/plugins.html

> I used to think that too.  But it's not true.  These freeware 'CAD'
> programs do not in any way compare to AutoCAD.

Have you used either one? I've used AutoCAD, and QCad. I can do
everything I need to do in either one, but I prefer QCad.

> There was a very convincing argument about this on rasfwr-j a few months
> ago.
> 
> Long url:
> 
> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&frame=right&th=cb57b0b655247da&seekm
> =slrn9i5qma.hk3.jsn%40ts016d40.chi-il.concentric.net#link1
> 
> Read the entire thread.

I skimmed through it. There was nothing of substance there. A lot
of Stallman politics and name-calling. A brief mention by someone
who thought there were a few apps on Windows that didn't have exact
alternatives on Linux. No proof or serious evidence was presented.
Did you have some specific argument there that you thought was
convincing? It would help if you would point it out if you want to
discuss it.

> The problem is, linux emulation etc. doesn't keep up with product
> revisions.  I.e. by the time they get it right and working a new
> version (and all the associated games / software) have moved on to the
> next version.

You may be right. As I said, I wasn't making any claims about games, and
I know very little about gaming on Linux.

> Notepad is better in every way.

Oh. I use Notepad sometimes too. What is the file size limit that it can
open? Anyway, I'm still not sure what we are discussing here. My point
was simply that lots of people exchange MS Office document files, and
that they can be read and written with various Linux software programs
if necessary. I wasn't recommending it, only saying it was possible if
needed.


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