> From: Robert Seeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> > > From: Joshua Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > > >From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >
> > > >All roads lead through the Singularity it would seem.  And I Just
read
> > > >'does the future need us".
> > >
> > > Indeed. An a perhaps silly question: since the Singularity is the
point
> >
> > > where, from our vantage point, the future is no longer
comprehensible,
> > can
> > > you see it coming as you approach it, or do you never quite reach
it,
> > > although "objectively" (from the vantage point of 2002) you've gone
> > past?
> > >
> > > Predictions for a Singularity seem to be converging around 2050 +/-
10
> > > years. I'm cautiously optimistic that I will live to see it (I'll
be a
> > mere
> > > 77 in 2050). In any case, this will be a fun half-a-century. :)
> >
> > A.I. and technology will begin to replace jobs at an accelerated
rate, as
> > the technological 'spike' causes technology to be able to replace
more
> > jobs than people can find employment, and job requirements will go
up.
> > This will cause massive unemployment, as most people are not able to
> > transition fast enough / learn higher job skills fast enough. 
Technology
> > will put the squeeze on _all_ types of employment high and low. 
Since
> > A.I.'s and Technology will be 'better' workers, and considerably
cheaper,
> > most employers will replace most of their employee's with the 'more
> > productive' technologies.  Somewhere in there economic collapse is
bound
> > to occur, which may slow the coming of the singularity but not stop
it.
> > The way I see it, when 98% of all jobs have been replaced with
> > technology, that will the 'event horizon'.
> >
> > I'll place my bets on 2035.
> >
> I have doubts.
> To replace me you have to have a robot that can replicate many physical
> skills, engineer on the spot, invent short cuts on the spot, and do it
> without supervision or oversight for the most part. A robot would be
able to
> replicate most of the mental skills, thats just a matter of complexity
and
> experience. But the physical skills would be quite difficult to
replace. Its
> not just a matter of strength and dexterity, its also a sense of touch
and
> the ability to "feel" what is happening on the other end of a fishtape
100
> feet away in a pipe. (Yes, I can do that. I can also tell you where the
end
> is and which bend it is stopped in usually.)

Not all jobs will disapear instantly, but the simpler ones will start to
vanish right away.  Eventually the rate at which jobs are taken over by
technology will bypass the rate of transition to higher level jobs,
creating an economic crisis, that may in fact slow down or halt the
coming of the singularity.  But I have no doubts that eventually a robot
will be able to your job better than you ever could.

> I think replacing 98% of all jobs is a lot farther off than you think.
You
> underestimate the number of skills that need to be replicated in order
to do
> so and I'm only looking at my job. You desk jockeys are probobly in
more
> immediate danger of being replaced, but even then I dont think they
will
> replace all of you.

You are probably right.  But it will come.

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