On Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 12:58:12PM -0500, John D. Giorgis wrote:

> Sorry, Erik, but even excepting all of Jeroen's past statements on
> this issue, there is only one possible explanation that I can fathom
> to explain comparing a people with the organization that tried to
> exterminate them, that systemitically organized a genocide against
> them.  That word, Erik, is hatred.

First of all, as I pointed out and you seem to have missed, hatred is
the wrong word. So is anti-Semite. Just because some makes arguments
that are misguided or ignorant does not prove that they harbor malice
toward Israelis or Jews.

Second, given that Jeroen has denied that he is anti-Semitic and also
denies hating Israelis or Jews, what do you hope to accomplish by
callling him by that name and attributing those views to him?

> What would you have me do Erik? 

I suggest you start by not calling someone names and attributing
feelings to them that they have denied, and then retreating out of the
discussion.  That is a cheap shot not worthy of you. At a minimum I
would suggest you refrain from making comments like that about someone
in the future. It doesn't accomplish any worthwhile goals that I am
aware of, and it usually makes things worse.

Moving on from the minimum, you might retract the personal statements or
even admit that it was a mistake to make them.

On to the next level, if the matter is as important to you as it sounds
like to me, then you might consider continuing a calm and reasoned
discussion on the topic, providing evidence when possible and explaining
your viewpoints clearly. Few worthwhile things are easy, and it may not
accomplish anything. But total failure is far from certain. Are you sure
you're not giving up too easily? There are a lot of people who hold
views similar to those you have expressed disagreement with. If you
make a reasonable and clear argument, you have a chance of persauading
at least a few people to change a few of their views. That seems like a
worthy goal for a good Catholic, don't you think?


-- 
"Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>       http://www.erikreuter.com/

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