On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 08:47:11AM -0400, Jon Gabriel wrote:

> Well, I personally find it quite ironic that two of the most outspoken
> proponents of free speech on this list are *also* the most vehemently
> anti-html and aggressively & repeatedly demand onlist and off that
> people who post in html code change ISPs for the good of the list?
> (BTW, IIRC, Erik, you didn't say anything to me offlist, but others
> did.  They weren't pleasant about it.)  Jim had the same experience I
> did.

You're right, I did not.

And you're wrong, I did not "demand" onlist that "people who post in
html code change ISPs". I politely mentioned that it was impolite to
post in html. When there were repeated claims that it was IMPOSSIBLE
to avoid posting in html, I opened an account on the ISP in question,
found the "plain text" button, and replied with this information, while
expressing my irritation at the person who made the claim that it was
impossible to do. Get your facts straight the next time you want to
criticize me, please!

And, here is the critical point that you can't seem to comprehend, you
who call for badly planned and poorly organized votes to try to force
your opinion onto others, AT NO TIME DID I SO MUCH AS THREATEN TO REMOVE
ANYONE FROM THE LIST FOR POSTING HTML.

1)express.  2)force. Simple. But important. Think about it.

> Presenting someone with an ultimatum: demanding that someone change
> ISP's for the good of the list or leave _is_ an act of forcing your
> opinion on someone.

Can't you ever get your facts straight? You're the kind of misguided
fool who riles up a lynch mob based on a bunch of hype. Quote me or let
it drop, because you're wrong again.

> Jim and I both inconvenienced ourselves and changed ISP's 'for the
> good of the list' to be polite to those listmembers who had a problem
> with it.

Good. You have shown that you can be a considerate listmember.

> Even though our aggressors were being nasty we opted to do what we
> felt was civilized.  Now you tell us that it is wrong to hold Mark to
> the same standard.

Geez, here you go again. It is NOT the same goddamned standard. You
are trying forcibly throw Mark off the list. That is NOT comparable to
asking, or even insulting, someone for what they are doing. Check out #1
and #2 above.



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"Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>       http://www.erikreuter.com/

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